Reminds me of the idea of positive discrimination. Personally, if I knew someone hired me above an equally qualified candidate just because I belong to a minority group I would feel insecure about my abilities.
What if they hired you only because you are part of a majority group? Or does this only matter if it’s someone in a minority being hired?
Either of course. It just seems the former goes without saying and a large number of people support the latter.
I assure you far more people are hired because they’re not part of a minority group than because they are.
So if you were equally qualified what should the manager think about when deciding between you two?
They should choose the more qualified, if there’s literally no difference I suppose to be totally fair it should be random.
What qualifies being qualified for a job? Should I hire the person who knows a little bit less but is really pleasant to be around and like learning new things or the person who clearly knows more but is a huge pain to be around, thinks he’s better than everyone else, and doesn’t think he has anything more to learn?
From what I’ve seen when those things were actually practiced, it’s somewhat different and broken into two parts:
- One one side, seriously incompetent people from the group which is a recipient of “positive” discrimination get jobs they should never have gotten and the quality of their work is going to be noticed by everybody else as long as they’re around and will reflect on others of the same group because the very act of segregating some people based on highly visible characteristics for the purposes of receiving special treatment strengthens the view of them as a group in other people’s minds, which in turn strengthens views such as “they’re all the same”.
- On the other side, the very competent people from the group which is a recipient of “positive” discrimination are seen by default by colleagues and even managers as inept, have to fight even harder for their competence to be recognized and often their ideas are just casually dismissed because everybody sees them as “somebody who only got the job because of the quotas”.
From what I’ve observed first hand neither feels insecure: the former play the influences game even harder than the rest because they know with absolute certainty that they’re only were they are thanks to social and political games, whilst the second just get angry and frustrated because they’re not treated as equals - because they are not equals since they’re part of a group which got privileges others did not - and thus not respected for their competence.
By creating a separate class of people, who don’t go have to pass as high a barrier as the rest, so called “positive” discrimination might land them the job but it also makes sure they’ll always be looked at as less competent, further reinforced in the minds of everybody else by those of that groups who are indeed “too incompetent for the job and wouldn’t have gotten it if it weren’t for quotas”
There are more than enough competent minorities to hire a couple for diversity. And hiring 10 diversity hires, out of a hundred, isn’t going to meaningfully impact opportunities for competent non minorities. This is some conservative bullshit trying to sneak in the idea that minorities are dumber than white people.
Sure mate, it can’t be that your “‘Equality’ But Different For Some Than For Others” is neoliberal cosplay of “left” rather than something genuinely left-wing AND that by preserving the differentiated treatment of people based on characteristics they were born with you’re just maintaining the very same mindset as the Fascists (that people’s gender/etnicity/sexual-orientation determines how they should be treated), no, no, no, it must be that it’s the other person (whose history of posts is there for all to see - so feel free to prove it) is a “conservative”.
By the way, when I described my conclusions of my own experience, I never said that the group who was getting “positive” discrimination was a minority. Funny how you jumped to conclusions.
i wonder why libs never apply this logic for Indigenous people on Turtle Island 🤔
Because Israel was always a colonialist project. The last one of a dead age. The people who like Israel think Thanksgiving was how settlers treated the Indigenous Americans.
That’s bending over backwards to erase the people who have lived there since humans migrated out of Africa. Just because an Arab empire came in does not mean the people haven’t lived there.
Also they could have done some land reparations without stealing Palestinian land, if anyone gave a shit. Pretty sure one of the countries that lost the war had a place called Judenberg already, for example.
Yep, I always thought a better idea for a state of Ashkenazi Jews would be to create it from pieces of Bavaria, Austria, maybe even a bit of Sudetes. Make it sort of a crossroads state, to minimize abuse by, ahem, any separate neighbor. Because immediately after WWII it would be weird to expect from Germans any kind of neighborly attitude.
And the opportunity would be long lost, if not for the fact that Germans so fscking love their Holocaust apologies virtue signaling. They have themselves maintained what is required to make the matter relevant.
I suggest resettling Israel to Passau. Yep, they may not have Haifa beaches, but they will have some Danube to look at.
And it will be really funny, Germans are too obnoxious, observing the process will be very funny.
Every Balkan (edit:) European country: 🥸
I mean English has three different words describing specifically persecuting Jewish populations with death.
This is not 100 years Hitler blah blah … this is talking about 15 centuries of Christian oppression.
Linguistically I’m still saying Jewish people need a safe space. And we, as nuclear Americans, call that safe space a fucking nation.
Before WWII the Jewish people had adopted the US as Zion. They already had a country, we didn’t need to refuse their refugees and fuck that shit up.
Yeah, the reality is the US was too anti-Semitic to do it as well. And it still doesn’t solve the problem the Zionists justify their crimes on, as seen with the very real modern possibility that America’s protections for religious freedom might fail.
That’s not even getting into the fact that America was segregated at the time and it would have been easy enough to whip up resentment against millions of refugees and create a second racial underclass…
And it had to be in Palestine? And it had to be an unregulated mess of Terrorism? It couldn’t have been in Germany where occupation forces were on hand to do an orderly transition, and from the country that actually committed the sin?
Everything about the forming of Israel screams, an excuse for one last colonial project. Because none of what you said makes what they did acceptable. The Palestinians didn’t hurt them. They just wanted to keep their land.
you see, every country would be fighting israel rn, if it’s land was taken by it, so does it really matter?
After world war 2 we absolutely adjusted the borders of countries and there was no issue. We could have easily given them a chunk of Northwestern German coastline. By 1955, when occupation forces left, it would be a done deal.
No. That’s a religion. Their religion claims a link to the land. They have been gone 2,000 years and now they want to come back in, genocide the people whose families stayed in the region, and colonize it.
There’s no part of de-colonialization that accepts a government of settlers over the people who lived there before.
