you forgot the funny part
Doesn’t not having sex do that a little better tho? Like i totally get the point, but also, having sex gives chance of baby right? So, don’t do it unless you ready? Maybe I’m wrong.
Sex is a basic human need. Having a child isn’t. You need to know you are compatible with your partner sexually or it will lead to tons of strife in a relationship. So not having sex unless you are asexual or a version of it isn’t an option.
Humans also do not die when they are shackled and locked in a dark room for years or decades, as long as you feed them. How is you argument sounding now?
Your suggestion has at least two severe issues:
- It doesn’t scale. The people that can and want to “wait until they’re ready” probably are doing that already. Meanwhile, the large, unwashed majority does whatever they feel like, and why would they want that to change?
- It takes away personal liberty and punishes people who “cannot control themselves,” giving way to social authoritarianism. To me, that’s the exact opposite of what any elected government should do: to make people’s lives better.
People fuck for various reasons. Taking away people’s access to contraception doesn’t stop that, it merely makes it more likely they’ll have kids.
Abstinence only programs have shown themselves again and again to just produce teen pregnancies and STDs. Contraception, generally, is the best way to keep yourself from producing a child and the people who are against it tend to be the type of people who want the state to get into your bedroom.
Shit happens. Condoms break and birth control fails. Let people make their own decisions instead of imposing your beliefs on them just to feel morally superior
The simpler the ‘fact’, the more likely it is to be an oversimplification and largely untrue.
In this example, you have to overlook any time someone became pregnant without consent. They never chose it to begin with, so blaming them for “not taking responsibility” for something they never wanted is oversimplifying a complicated subject to the point of falsehood.
It’s also especially funny how often this argument comes from people who, in the same breath, will talk about their savior being “of virgin birth”. You can’t argue that chastity works for everyone when it didn’t work for Mary.
Using birth control = zero responsibility? Wow. Do you have a newsletter?
I know I’m probably wrong here, and I’m willing to be better informed, but I don’t like the phrasing of abortion as mere “birth control,” as if it were equal to methods that prevent conception or implantation.
Do people really feel it’s not a different sort of act, or would people be comfortable using abortion as their sole means of birth control (if it were safe and inconsequential to the woman)? And yes, I understand that the morning after pill is something of a gray area.
Also yes, I am a Christian. But I understand that there are good reasons for abortion remaining legal.
Abortion is, by definition, a form of birth control, but I don’t think most people would ever consider it to be equal to other forms of controlling birth. However, let’s not forget that for a lot of people abortion is quite literally the only birth control they may have access to, and even that access may come at huge risk. There are often family, social, religious (this is the big one), or cultural pressures that get in the way of accessing contraceptives until it is too late.
Absolutely understand, and while it’s hard for me to believe that anyone doesn’t know about condoms, a religious person who chooses abortion over condoms really makes me scratch my head.
But I guess you mean a kid living in a “religious” household. Man, I wish there was a way to communicate to kids that feeling your old enough for sex means feeling you’re old enough to make good decisions about preventing pregnancy.
I mean frankly the whole thing’s just too damn big for me. My heart goes out to everyone who finds themselves with these kinds of choices.
You’re making some huge assumptions about the quality of sex and health education that those kids have had access to. It’s easy to point a finger and say, well you should be more responsible, but the reality is that adolescents are still learning and developing. So even with great education, they make bad decisions. They won’t have adult brains until their early to mid 20s. And there’s no reason why those decisions should ruin lives, when modern medicine can resolve the dilemma in minutes.
In other words, you’re making an argument for much better and more widely available sex and health education. Which religious types are likely to oppose. Can’t have it both ways- either the kids are fully informed and made an error, or their guardians failed them and set them on a track with a veil of ignorance.
Yeah, I was getting at living in a religious household, but I can say from experience that it goes far deeper than that. There is way too often a toxic and parasitic mentality that constantly says things like birth control are evil and aren’t to be talked about. When that kind of thinking permeates every aspect of one’s life or community, it can make it difficult, humiliating, or outright dangerous for people to seek out things like contraceptives.
Also, I know this thinking doesn’t hold true of all religious folks, and it’s refreshing to see someone genuinely curious and asking questions rather than judging automatically, so thank you.
Well depends what you mean by birth control… is it a way to prevent pregnancy or children?
Since birth is in the name i’d say the term is better suited for referring to anything preventing the birth of a children. But what the term refers to has no barring on what’s happening.
It never meant people don’t make a difference. Any reasonable women knows and feel the difference.
The fact it’s less safe and has worse effects on your health is just another way we realize how serious an abortion is. It will never be inconsequential even if it was safe.
Please do not trust anyone who says people disagree with this. They all have a political reason to lie.
Abortion as birth control is a lie they’ve been harping on for decades. No one does that. No one says, “Aw crap! Preggers again, off to the abortionplex!”
I’ve impregnated two women that had abortions. I won’t go into the details, but we talked about it, decided to do it, and they were both emotionally crushed. The second woman lost her ability to ever have children from the procedure.
Abortion is not a thing to be taken lightly, and no one does.
And thanks for sticking your neck out and asking around here. Surprised you weren’t excoriated.
You still are a wage slave paying rent to a landed lord.
