129 points

I’m all for it. The Democrats have been a joke since they fucked Bernie. They’re terrible and don’t give a shit about their voters.

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To be clear to the naysayers: It’s not that we’re angry Bernie got fucked, it is what it is. We’ve just seen the writing on the wall SINCE he got screwed over.

Also we’re a little angry.

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Oh, they were a joke long before that. In 2006, when we went from having a congress that rubber stamped everything Bush wanted to a congress that said they were displeased with Bush as they rubber stamped everything he wanted.

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3 points

I don’t know much about the US politics before 2010, that’s when I migrated to the US.

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Basically anything was approved as long as it was framed as national security.

The terrorists won with 9/11

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I think its time to deconstruct it tbh. Name’s tainted and “neither” has been the most popular candidate for the past 3 election cycles now. People are itching for a new party to support that doesn’t make them feel like their vote is worthless

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This would imply years of (effectively) being out of power. Even if by some miracle you would win the presidential election, you would have no local infrastructure to build on. It would give the GOP effective power in many states for an another decade.

On the other hand, look at how easy it was for Trump to completely hijack the GOP. That’s the model you should aim for.

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On the other hand, look at how easy it was for Trump to completely hijack the GOP. That’s the model you should aim for.

That’s what I’ve been saying for a while now.

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Seriously why are we continuing with the same party that supported slavery and has been on doing the bare minimum to help people for the last 50 years.

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32 points

It’s pretty stupid to base your support of a party on what it used to be, not what it is now.

Using your logic, you support the GOP because they elected Lincoln and ended slavery, right? It’s not like there’s been 160 years of history that might have changed it since, including things like the Southern Strategy and the “Moral Majority”, right?

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I know people who say they support the Republicans because of that un-sarcastically. Soo logic isn’t the strong suit of a majority of voters I think.

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Slavery, segregation, the Dixiecrats, the Democratic Party wasn’t even the “good” one for most of the time it’s been around (and arguably wasn’t even even definitely “the” good one until like 40 years ago.

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50 points

Or, now hear me out, Socialism.

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25 points

Absolutely. Just don’t use that word. The propaganda is so goddamn ingrained in the American psyche we might as well just call it something else and try to bypass that fight.

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19 points

Hand companies over to their workers, call it supercapitalism, and Americans will eat that shit up

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12 points

“Blue collar capitalism”

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“true capitalism” or some shit

Disparage actual capitalism for not being capitalist enough, and do an Indiana Jones hot swap for the actual end goal of worker ownership.

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The freedom to eat, the freedom to earn a fair day’s pay for a fair day’s honest work, the freedom to afford a house, the freedom from wall street usury, the freedom patriotically build secure and supportive communities, freedom healthcare, protecting the landscape of the greatest country on earth for all of America’s generations to come, etc.

Loads of ways to spin free market socialism, take your pick.

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4 points

It’s just a branding problem that needs a more modern name for today’s modern voter

Democracy+

Democracy McDemocracyFace

Buddy Democracy

Msilaicos

Ocialismsay

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3 points

Seriously, don’t use that word haha. We don’t need another “Red Scare”

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The Red Scare never ended, it’s important to directly combat anti-socialist sentiment because you are going to be labeled a Communist even if you call yourself a mild progressive.

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On the contrary, we should use the words Socialism and Communism loudly and proudly. The less stigamtized these words are the easier the fight for progress.

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3 points

Absolutely. I have an introductory Marxist reading list if you want to check it out.

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44 points

We’ve had several elections in recent memory where it’s been really clear that progressive Democrats win elections compared to centrists (mostly midterm elections but still). Somehow that lesson hasn’t stuck, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Harris’ defeat also doesn’t teach this lesson. At this point the old guard really just needs to die.

People want change, GOP is offering it and people are eating it up. They just have no idea how incredibly stupid that version of change is.

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They just have no idea how incredibly stupid that version of change is.

Yeah, when they find out that things like vaccines might be up for grabs they might be in for a real ride.

The fact that it is even a POSSIBILITY is sheer insanity. If donvict had excess deaths during Covid [1], letting a dumbfuck loser like brainworms ban them would kill even more. This time it’d be kids as well as the very old, most likely. Needless, excess death.

And that’s just the start on this loser’s notion of “change” that we might get…

[1] A bit of a joke. The policy failures of donvict killed nearly half a million Americans.

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Seriously. I don’t care that much about fluoride in the water being removed for four years, but I’m quite grateful that my youngest is getting the last of his vaccines before January. Hopefully it just ends up a “states rights” thing. Still sucks for herd immunity but at least I’ll still be able to keep my family vaccinated.

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Still sucks for herd immunity but at least I’ll still be able to keep my family vaccinated.

I suppose. Some states are already in a bad way, like PA: https://www.altoonamirror.com/news/local-news/2024/09/pa-vaccine-exemptions-raises-fear-of-outbreak/

Having a dipshit like RFK being validated, nevermind actually setting policy, is going to set this nation even further backwards.

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Monied interests wield their donor privilege to ensure these lessons are never learned nor discussed in media. This influence is so powerful, Harris campaign wasn’t even allowed to lie and pretend to be populist like Trump had been doing, in order to attempt to win the election. The donors must be appeased above all else.

Personally, I think the Democrats are doomed to ratchet further into the grip of conservatism in perpetuity. But if you really want to reform the Dems instead, it has to start with significant campaign finance reform to end the legalized bribery.

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32 points

Good. A party that is not beholden to its constituents has no business running for office.

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Not to be cheeky, but the DNC has a business in running for office, and is beholden to its constituents, it’s just that its constituents are the wealthy Capitalists that donate to the DNC and essentially buy policy, not the working class.

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