“I’m the nominee of the Democratic Party. No one’s pushing me out. I’m not leaving," he said in a call to the broader campaign
Trump didn’t answer a single fucking question and blathered on just as much- yet of course the focus is ALL on Biden. Trump didn’t even have to show up.
The hate was there before it began.
Not a word about what “King” Trump said or did…. And here we are. America deserves Trump at this point.
Trump didn’t answer a single fucking question
And that was the best strat for him. Biden was falling apart himself. Letting the man talk was the winning strategy. He was lying and exaggerating but at the end of the day, Biden’s performance was so embarrasingly bad that they didn’t even matter
There are two ways to look at this. In one respect you can say why the hell are so many Americans still not grasping just how bad Trump is?
But then you need to assume the responsibility of being the more informed party and adjust your strategy not for the electorate you want but for the electorate you have.
And that electorate is demanding a better candidate for Democrats to appeal to said uninformed undecided swing state voters who will decide this election.
America deserves Trump at this point.
The rest of the world doesn’t, he’ll mess things up far beyond the US. Encouraging Russia/North Korea, weakening NATO, all sorts of trade wars, there’s so much he could throw a wrench in.
America deserves Trump at this point.
Only the people who vote for him deserve him. Kinda how that works.
God.fucking.dammit.
When these two debates were announced, I knew it was going to be fucked up, but NO. Oooh he’s got to debate! He’ll show everyone how bad trump is! He needs to do it to help the undecideds!
Fucking insane gibberish of a person who learned NOTHING from 2016. We got away with it in 2020 on the sheer novelty of an adult, a representative of government, telling trump to shut the fuck up. Now that was good tv. But it was a one-off.
And now look at this shit. These fuckheads who can’t wait to elect trump are all up in here going “ooooh noooo Biden’s so bad he’s making us have trump be elected!1!!”
Goddammit. The fucking “Operation gENoSiDE jOe” wasn’t gaining enough traction so THANK FUCK a bunch of Harvard MBA fuckups roundly decided Joe should stand on stage with a demented socopathic rapist who is functionally incapable of telling the truth and, y’know, give folks in the rural areas a little of the ol’, y’know, compare and contrast! What a goddamned brilliant idea. Hey! Let’s do it twice! Yeah! We are soooo smrt.
Son of a fucking bitch, now we have to watch this garbage-truck-off-a-cliff-in-slow-motion for probably the next three months while all the Li’l Che Guevaras pile in every thread like clowns in a decrepit, backfiring bus, farting and defecating the same pointless key phrases over and over.
DNC, you fucked up again because you refuse to understand how media works. Trumps out here kicking in windows and laughing and you guys are faxing press releases to republiQan-run news organizations and hoping their spin isn’t terrible. Christ in a bucket.
They fucked up losing Bernie Sanders, easy 8 years (people would have grown to love him)
Has it ever occurred to you the short bus Che Guevaras were farting the phrases because they saw this coming?
They saw Biden was “too unelectable” a year ago? Sure. That’s why they won’t shut up about it. They’re experienced campaign managers. The only reason they weren’t pulling this BS in 2016 is because they were still in middle school. Well, and also because Hillary was polling at 99% the whole time.
This comment is amazing. I’ve been trying to counter all the tankie propaganda with a parody community !nonvoters@lemmy.blahaj.zone
I’ll vote for any D, no matter what, but Biden is a sure loser in the general. Independents are fucking mentally defective. You need a showman to win at the margins, where this idiotic election will be decided.
I can’t believe how many of you are so myopic as to think everything’s fine.
When the choice is between and Felon, with many more charges coming, and just an old guy, I am super shocked at how many Americans can’t decide between democracy and a corrupt dictatorship. It’s even being presented factually to them, directly in front of their faces, and they still choose to ignore reality. As if continually doubling down will eventually work out… not sure what their plan is going to be, but they have all burned every bridge aside from other MAGA losers.
Voting for democrats no matter what is a great reason why the Democratic party today doesn’t care about people and actually doing things for them. (Similar with republican party) if you always vote for them no matter and don’t withhold your votes and punish them when they don’t deliver then this will only continue.
So, you’d vote for literally ANY Democrat, no matter WHAT, but you think it’s the independents who are mentally defective? You think anyone who ISN’T 100% committed to political party tribalism is defective? Well, I adamantly disagree. I think it’s the unquestioningly partisan voters who are the defective ones.
I get the whole tribalism bad thing but come on, man. How could any D be a worse choice than Trump?
They didn’t say they would vote for any D so long as they are better than Trump, they specifically said any D no matter what. There’s a big fucking difference.
I think it’s more along the lines of “I don’t want the other guy to win” so they’d vote for a carrot over the offered Republican, who they know what they stand for. They’d prefer a better Dem, but anything to stem the bleeding.
The mentally deficient ones are the ones that can’t seem to decide when the choices are obvious.
Again, you folks are ignoring a key part of what was written. They didn’t say they would vote for any D so long as the Ds can be considered a preferable choice by reasonable and informed people, they LITERALLY said “no matter what.” I sincerely hope you can see a difference.
A New York Times poll conducted after the debate, which was published on Wednesday, suggested Trump was now holding his biggest lead yet at six points.
And a separate poll published by the BBC’s US partner CBS News suggested Trump has a three-point lead over Mr Biden in the crucial battleground states
Him refusing to listen to voters is reason enough to replace him.
But Joe can’t win without Dem voters. Every indication is he’s willing to hand trump the presidency out of spite if the party doesn’t force him out.
He’s not fit to be president, even if we beat Trump. We’re stuck with this shit where Biden does whatever the fuck he wants, and rarely agrees with the people who put him in office.
I mean, this is the kind of messaging we should expect from the office until the exact moment he flips. There isn’t anything really “new” in this BBC article, its mostly a rehash of several other articles and polls that have come out since last Thursday.
I’m still holding out for an announcement this evening/ tomorrow morning, but I am becoming less confident in that. I’m still confident that Biden isn’t going to be the nominee, but he’s creating a significant cost associated with him continuing to run as a lost-cause candidate. We need to move on and regroup, and we’re running out of time to do so.
At this point, Biden needs to basically recover 30 points in the polling to overcome the disadvantage we know he carries going into a general (we have seen how he underperforms his polling on election day; we also know that Trump typically outperforms his polling on election day). A thirty point swing at this point is a statistical impossibility, for those being practical about the matter. I can post the analysis again, but no swing of that magnitude has ever happened this close to election day. Ever. Based on his current polling, Biden has a less than 1% probability of winning, which is to say, basically impossible.
Even changing the nominee is risky at this point. There’s never been a party that has won when changing the nominee at the “last minute.”
That’s what’s scary here, replacing him could even be more disastrous than standing behind him. Both are bad choices. We’ve been fucked into a bad choice by a party that doesn’t give a shit about its own voters.
If only literally anybody in the party apparatus had listened to reason in four fucking years instead of being like “We can cart his corpse out until he croaks like we did with Dianne Feinstein.”
Even changing the nominee is risky at this point.
So is not replacing him, and the hand wringing around it being a problem is a significant contributor to this mess lasting as long as it has.
The right answer is to go to an open convention and duke it out the way its always been done in the past. At least bring back some semblance of democracy to the Democratic party; you’ll get a SHIT ton of coverage on the matter; it will turn into a real horse race and get people engaged, and then you’ll have a candidate is at least competitive, which Biden isnt.
You shouldnt be scared of replacing Biden. Thats like being scared of pulling over in a car with a flat tire.
There’s never been…
Welcome to how the Democrats have operated as a party since the Bill Clinton era in the 90’s.
I’m ready for the next step, which is to blame voters for not voting hard enough, after *checks notes… two years of viciously saying “You can’t critique the President it’s too close to an election” as if it’s never not too close to an election to critique Democrats apparently.
The debate isn’t even the issue. It’s the fact that we just got a king and he’s saying that we, the people who voted him in, are the only ones that can stop a dictatorship. We’re not - he literally has all of the power to save democracy and isn’t doing jack but campaign on the fall of the US
Nothing is stopping him from Officially Acting on six Supreme Court Justice literally right now.
The presidency gained expanded immunity not expanded powers. He can give the CIA illegal orders without fear of prosecution, but the CIA is not bound to follow them.
That’s the key difference in how this change impacts a Biden Presidency, and how it would impact a Trump presidency. Biden has surrounded himself with people who respect the law, while Trump will surround himself with criminals, lackies, and cultists.
Except that it would be against the law, and it’s hard to contrast yourself with Trump if you are also now committing crimes (even if those crimes are for the bettering of the US). Immunity doesn’t blank your crimes from the public’s minds, and forcefully removing even bad faith Justices from the Supreme Court is not a great look when he has been campaigning on knowing “right from wrong” and respecting the rule of law.
I’ll remember biden not executing 6 justices and letting us slide into fascism all so he can keep his optics of being the candidate that knows right from wrong. Fuck all that, biden should use his powers granted by the Supreme Court to right the ship, because when he loses this election Trump is gonna execute a lot more people and expand his power so now isn’t the time for him to be a pussy old man and use the remaining life his has to fuck shit up to stop fascism
I don’t get the whole “holier than thou” mentality of the Democratic party. It IS the law and we need to follow it accordingly.
I’m not asking for Biden to execute 6 Supreme Court justices, but maybe he can throw them in jail as an “official” act.
Stop sticking to a playbook that no longer exists. Show real fucking leadership and demonstrate why their ruling needs a second fucking look!
Trump is legit about to have those powers, and the only way to get that to not happen is for Biden to do something first. He will lose the public’s vote if he doesn’t (and he won’t, so he’ll send us straight into the Trump Kingdom). The time to play hardball with these scumbags was long ago, and he’s still using the kid gloves.
The GOP won’t use kid gloves next year.
