Summary
The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld Indiana’s law banning puberty blockers and hormones for transgender minors, aligning with similar laws in 26 GOP-led states.
Plaintiffs argued the law discriminates based on sex and interferes with parental rights to direct medical treatment for their children, but the 2-1 ruling dismissed these claims.
The court stated the law applies equally to all minors and parents don’t have unrestricted rights to medical treatments.
This decision comes as the Supreme Court prepares to review a similar Tennessee case, potentially setting a nationwide precedent.
Trans erasure in action.
I hope denying healthcare to children was worth owning the libs.
“I’m not going to get political but”
“Gets political”
“Spouts off right wing talking points”
“Demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of the transition process”
I did not say I am not going to. the point of that statement is to point out how abnormal it is for me to weigh in on a political issue and how egregious I believe this to be, and I absolutely do not care if it is right left up or down, this should not be politicized, it is human experimentation.
Hi, I’m a trans woman and I just wanna say that the name you chose for yourself suits you really well well!
it is human experimentation
No it is not. It is a well thought out medical intervention, with extensively studied effects, and life saving outcomes for trans youth.
For the most part of this video Vaush debunks every argument that puberty blockers are an experimental treatment https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=HhYruaFZEOI
American Psychological Organization about young transgender people https://www.apa.org/monitor/2022/07/advocating-transgender-nonbinary-youths
Or do you think trans people just pop out of thin air as fully grown adults? You understand that trans people once were kids like everybody else right? And finally have you ever spoken to a transgender person and ask what it is like growing up trans? All these ignorant morons fearmonger like this therapy is pushed onto unknowing kids and parents, presented like it is a cool video game. Guess what, people actively seek this therapy for their kids or themselves because they know what it is doing, it stops unwanted sexual features to develop, and it is reversible.
What was your problem again?
You know damn well this isn’t about surgery. It’s about hormones, and it says so right there in the summary. You didn’t even have to click the link. Nobody is doing breast implants on trans minors (only on cis minors, which is perfectly fine for some reason).
Forcing a trans kid to go through the wrong puberty even though they know they are trans is extremely traumatic. It’s life ruining. It alters the voice, the shape of the torso, the shape of the face, and facial and body hair in ways that either can’t be fixed at all, or can only be fixed with expensive surgeries later on.
And if you want people to be absolutely sure about their status before going on hormone replacement therapy, then that is exactly what puberty blockers are for. Leuprorelin prevents puberty so that the kid can figure themself out for a year or two, and then make sure they go through the correct puberty. Even if they decide not to be transgender in the end, they can just go off leuprorelin and start puberty.
Why are we debating this at all, shouldn’t it be the decision of the parents? You don’t agree, that’s fine, you can tell your kids no. If someone else looks at the evidence and believes it’s true, and believes this is hugely beneficial to their kid, why should the government have a say in their kid’s medical treatment?
Going through the wrong puberty is also a life long decision with major consequences. Hope that helps!
Holy shit you have absolutely no idea what the fuck you’re talking about, so please shut the fuck up about your uninformed personal opinions.
Puberty blockers only delay the onset of puberty until you stop taking them, at which point development resumes normally with far less downsides than the risk of developing undesired sex characteristics. So no, this is not “the same choice no matter if we ban or allow this.” The same choice would be starting actual sex hormones; puberty blockers are the middle ground here.
Banning puberty blockers is politically motivated actors putting their politics above people’s bodily autonomy and medical professionals’ ability to make medically informed decisions.
You’re flat out wrong that allowing doctors to prescribe puberty blockers would cause risk of greater suffering in such a way as to make it abundantly clear that you don’t know what those meds actually do.
You are a fucking moron. Username checks out.
I was a transgender child. Going through forced puberty led me to attempt suicide at 14 15 and 18. Parts of my body are covered in self-harm scars due in large part to the utter repulsion I felt at the effects of testosterone on my body. I became an alcoholic at 16, and an oxycontin addict by the time I was 20. The day my voice cracked was one of the worst days of my entire life. For reference I started counseling when I was 13. I was receiving therapy throughout all of this.
I am extremely lucky to be alive. I have had to spend tens of thousands of dollars undoing the harm testosterone did to me and some things I can never fully undo. I could have avoided all of this if I had had access to puberty blockers. If I had been offered puberty blockers, I would have taken them without a thought, and I categorically would not have regretted them. I knew I wanted to be a girl when I was 4. I knew that I didn’t want to go through testosterone puberty when I was in grade 4, and they taught us what that was.
Is forcing us to go through what I went through humane? When a real treatment exists right there? When studies show a less than 1% rate of regret for gender affirmative care for minors? Do you realize you are forcing children to go through what I went through? Do you realize not every child will survive? Do you realize you’re supporting causes that kill children? For no fucking reason? Because you don’t fucking understand what we go through and have no fucking interest in listening to us? How about asking trans kids what they fucking need? How about asking trans adults what being a trans child was like for them? No you have no fucking interest in any of that.
I am sorry you had to go through all of that and I, for one, am very glad you’re still with us and fighting the good fight.
Many hugs friend. I remember the immense feelings of disgust, confusion, and frustration when I started bleeding at 10 years old and began developing breasts. I didn’t want any of that. It felt so unnatural. I suffered a lot of health problems from hitting puberty so early, and ironically puberty blockers would have been an effective treatment but they either didn’t exist or simply weren’t offered back in those days.
I think this one is more difficult than it sounds.
You are asking if someone should have the right to make a life long decision, before they have matured enough to make a life long decision. Tie that in with parents who can both have their child’s best interests at heart, or their own preconceived religion and views on it and there is no wide reaching decision that is best for everyone.
Saying that, they would have said no regardless of the discussions and best interests of the individual. These discussions need to be had, but quietly pretty fucking confident they won’t happen in the next 4 years.
Puberty blockers are reversible - that’s not a lifelong decision. That information should have been in the article, and if we didn’t live in a dumbshit rightwing dystopia where press is owned by the conservatives and also fears retribution from the conservatives, that information would’ve been in there.
Surgery? Sure, let’s have that conversation - though I would certainly argue it’s not the state’s business what happens between a child, their parents, and their doctors, any more than it would be any other lifelong medical procedure. But it’s at least a little murky. But this decision isn’t surgery, it’s puberty blockers. Not murky. Just evil.
Republicans just want this fact suppressed. Everywhere you look, puberty blockers are presented as bad as genital surgery. They want to make it sound scary and overly artificial, like “toxic levels of hormones to go against the grain of the natural process”. This part they don’t actually say out loud but it is implied. Every outlet that fails to make clear that puberty blockers is a well established intervention for cis and trans kids alike, they are part of the TERF propaganda apparatus right enough.
The problem is that, in this situation, no decision IS a decision.
Up until puberty, boys and girls are quite similar. It’s puberty that causes the lifelong changes. We already know that delaying puberty doesn’t cause long-term issues. Puberty blockers are used to treat or help with other conditions. By blocking puberty, you are buying time. Time for the child to mature. Time for phycologists to assess. Time to practice the role before locking it in permanently. Time to grow, learn, and make the very decision you are talking about.
Sure, there’s some tough discussions to be had, but puberty blocker access is pretty damn straightforward to anyone who has actually researched it for 30 seconds or more. Plus, minor healthcare requires parental consent. Maybe some conversations are required. If they are, we better fucking defer to the parents in the meantime.
Don’t act like you all give a fuck about kids. If you did something would be done about school shootings, like banning high capacity magazines. This is transphobia, period.
I know what you say sounds reasonable at first. But parents and kids already make a huge amount of life long decisions already. You hit the nail on the head with religion. Circumcism is a life long unreversable (as far as I know) decision that is made without yhe childs consent and mainly for preconcieved religious reasons. So why is trans medical care any different. Simply because it is the minority.
And of course, when kids who really want that treatment don’t get it. Some resort to suicide. That is life long and unreversable as well.
All of the trans kids I know have parents who are trying to adjust to it. Not parents who pushed them into it. It’s a lot of work, doctor’s appointments, paperwork, and fear. I would speculate that the number of kids convinced by their parents to be trans is infantessimally small. And they almost definitely don’t live in red states. So laws like this protect almost no kids in their state while causing harm to significantly more kids who actually do live in their state.
Like gender identity interacts with the chemistry of the drug somehow? Is it safe if the kid is cis and it is not when the kid is trans? Is there some (well) materialism in gender identity or is this philosophical dualism of some sort?
The prescribed use is to suppress the development of sex features by blocking sex hormones, so how is it different?
This is just fear mongering.
