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Trump’s policy agenda includes a Congressional bill to define government-recognized genders strictly as male and female, as assigned at birth.

I have to wonder what is going to happen when the law runs headlong into science here. Because sure, this might primarily affect trans-folk, but they aren’t the only ones who defy strict binary gender.

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I believe their official stance is simply that any “expert who thinks they know better than the duly elected president” will be fired or ignored

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66 points

Just have to look at climate science for an example of science taking a backseat to political will.

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42 points

Intersex and the rest will be ignored and marginalized, just like always.

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I have to wonder what is going to happen when the law runs headlong into science here.

They’ll double down even harder like the failed war on drugs, despite the damage it’s causing. As long as conservatives “feel” like something is the correct solution, it’s the right way to go, all evidence, studies, and science be damned.

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8 points

yup their feelings dont care about the facts

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22 points

Science?? Have you seen the abortion debate? There are vegetables classified as fruit and other horrors on the law books. Science got nothing to do with it.

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So there is a colloquial definition of fruit/veg and a scientific definition. You have a point here, but have there been any court cases that hinged on these laws? And did they hinge in a way that the scientific definition was paramount?

So many people wanting to argue that Republicans don’t care about science, but I don’t disagree with that. I know they don’t. But eventually there are going to be court cases that adjudicate whether a person is legally a man or a woman, and I’m just really curious what the outcome of those cases will be when the law flies in the face of fact.

Did you ever read about the time someone tried to legislate that the value of pi is 3.2? It was saved by the Indiana Senate not falling for that bullshit. Unfortunately, there will be no last-minute rescue in this case. I know it’s going to be a clusterfuck. But I also wonder how judges are going to react to people who legitimately do not match the definition of male or female.

This attempt to discriminate against trans-folk will inevitably bump up against ambiguity which a simple binary construct cannot address.

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have there been any court cases that hinged on these laws?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nix_v._Hedden

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Why do you think that science has any place in the Trump administration?

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I don’t, but when you get to a courtroom, where there are standards of evidence, a judge is going to have to make interpretations that don’t match up with the law.

Hell what happens when there is a typo on a birth certificate? If I’m assigned female at birth and am not genetically nor biologically female, what then? I just have to wait five times as long in bathroom lines? Does the government get to track my menstruation?

All of Trumpists’ dreams of simplicity are defeated by asking just the most obvious questions. Imagine if I were smart enough to ask good questions.

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15 points

Well, Trump replaced a bunch of federal judges with sycophants. And, fascists really don’t care about the rule of law or logic.

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4 points

Probably it’ll hurt whoever dares to disobey the law :(

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9 points

Damn intersex people, doing crimes by being born. Let’s arrest them immediately out of the womb. /s

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6 points

Good news is, at least they’re safe from abortion. They have to wait until after they are born to punish them for existing.

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52 points

Just like a good little Nazi.

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I was naive to think they’d try easing into this stuff, but — perhaps fortunately for public outrage and taking action — they are being loud and clear about it. Really just no subtlety whatsoever to the fascist horror.

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Why be subtle? A majority voted for him, he has all 3 branches of government, and any opposition he has is too concerned about decorum to do anything to stop him. Thanks, non-voters in swing states!

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Misleading headline. Nowhere does the article mention anything about banning such care for adults.

It’s still wholly and completely shit, but the headline and the first paragraph are (as of right now) incorrect.

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It will be kind of hard for adults to get gender-affirming care, though, when the government enforces that your gender is fixed at birth.

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Sure, nobody is arguing against the fact it will be harder to get this type surgery - mostly due to financial reasons. But claim that it’s getting banned is a filthy fucking lie

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That’s like splitting hairs over whether a abortion is banned in Texas, cuz technically it is allowed under very narrow circumstances that no hospital is willing to try.

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Not all gender affirming care is surgery. In fact, almost all gender affirming care isn’t surgery. He wants to restrict all of it so that as few people as possible can get on it, then eventually it’ll be an entire ban because he doesn’t want trans people to exist at all. While it might not initially be an entire ban, its pretty fucking close and will be expanded upon eventually.

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He also proposed excluding hospitals and healthcare providers who offer these services from Medicaid and Medicare

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We’ll see how that turns out…

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He also proposed excluding hospitals and healthcare providers who offer these services from Medicaid and Medicare

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15 points

Repealing Roe V Wade was only about stopping late term abortions. It’s not that hard to read the room with this orange dipshit.

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Press spreading lies because of an agenda. Colour me surprised

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This is the man who said “you send your kid to school as a boy, and they change his sex and send him home a girl.” He told his rally goers that schools do sex changes and they believed him.

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