31 points

Trump pardoning more violent criminals, what a fucking surprise

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Commit a crime against others, pardon crimes against friends, dissolve criminal investigation of self.

Totally normal first-day agenda for a supposedly democratic country.

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Yeah, we know. I am particularly interested in seeing if he will go the extra mile and try the self-pardon, though. If he does that, and the courts uphold it, then we know we’ve officially crossed the line to dictatorship.

If he doesn’t, it will only be because people tell him the courts won’t back him on that.

OTOH, there is always the tiny, tiny chance that the self-pardon is a step too far, and convince Republicans to finally impeach his ass.

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There is no way a self pardon will be the line too far. Democrats expect it and the Republican electorate would cheer him on.

If he crosses a line it will be fucking with other Republican’s money.

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… then we know we’ve officially crossed the line to dictatorship.

We already know that.

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Don’t be so sure. It is well documented that the Founders felt that no person should be their own judge. But, more importantly, letting the President self-pardon gives that person an enormous advantage that the other branches can’t put in check. It subordinates the other branches.

Congress and the courts will, of course, go along with Trump’s priorities. But will they go along with diminishing their own power? Recall that even with the immunity decision, the courts left to themselves what is covered under that, so still kept some power in all that.

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19 points

SCOTUS: Hold my beer

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7 points

Pardons are an official act.

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Plan B or maybe it is plan A is do a money grab, hand over the presidency to Vance, and have Vance do all the pardons, and he walks free.

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That would require Trump to trust Vance. The absolute split second that Trump is out of power, everyone will turn on him. There’s no such thing as loyalty, just self interest.

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Let’s all meet back here in a year and see how it all played out.

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and convince the Republicans to finally impeach his ass.

Haha, good one.

let’s hope the dems get the house and a supermajority in the senate in the midterms (they won’t)

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Right? Dude sends a crowd of rowdies into the Capitol building to hang the vice president for not lying but, self-pardoning is too far

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8 points

lol the Rs will never impeach dear leader man

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I suspect he doesn’t pardon himself day-1. No matter how he leaves office, there will be warning (or he’ll be dead). He’ll pardon himself as late as possible so he can tell people that he hasn’t (yet). There’s zero benefit to doing it early.

That said, he’s really fucking stupid, so I’m tired of predicting what he’ll do.

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Does he need to yet?

It’s not like he can be impeached and most of the cases will pause by default as he’s a sitting president. If any don’t he’ll have a tame Attorney General to kill them for him. State level charges could have a theoretical shot, but what state will take that fight?

The window to hold him accountable was 2020-2024 and the people responsible dropped the ball, sometimes with obvious intention, sometimes from naivité or incompetence

The problem as usual is that the Democrats bring Debate Club weapons to a knife fight

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This is all a result of the weakness that voters allow for in supporting the lessor of two bad options rather than demanding more from our representatives.

it’s too late now.

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Trump is the worst of two options.

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He won because Democrats refused to engage themselves in introspection, and preferred to gaslight themselves with regards to legitimate criticisms of both the party and the candidate.

Trump didn’t “win” this election any more than he “won” in 2020. He maintained the same vote share. Democrats lost voter ship, and if you are offering static around trying to address the issues that explain why that is, Trump winning is on you.

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supporting the lessor of two bad options

Trump is not the lesser of two bad options. That’s all I’m saying. I have no idea what you’re trying to to say otherwise.

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if we demand more from representatives and succeed you dingdongs accuse them of coopting all of the energy. depart, wrecker

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she lost because she didn’t feel she needed to have policies popular among her voters, her base.

The people who lost this election for us were those defending the candidates position on the indefensible, with lines like “But Trump is worse”

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It’s too late for this now, but this video succinctly explains why this line of thinking doesn’t apply under first past the post:

Https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

The correct move was everybody backs Kamala and then busts her balls on progressive issues.

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