Because you now did it to yourself.
You dumb, dumb motherfuckers.
Regards, the rest of the world.
Most of us can, and are also stunned by the dunbass other half of the population
*Slightly less than half most of us can, and are stunned by the dumbass other half of the population FTFY
You could be smart enough to say “fuck you” to the mainstream Dem candidates early in the campaign.
The dumbass other half fears “the establishment” to the degree of going to dotards, coachfuckers and antivaxxers. Removing “the establishment” from your side could make them fear those more.
So the part about dumb, dumb motherfuckers can be arguably addressed to almost all of you, my cowboy friends.
Especially those saying that “the perfect is the enemy of the good” and people should vote for Harris instead of someone like Bernie or someone like Larry Lessig or who not.
American here. Fuuuuc… Not what most of us wanted here on the West Coast.
We fought hard and carried the team as best we could. We probably won’t be eating as much curb as some states, but fucking frustrating as hell that some Americans can’t get their shit together for 12 goddamn minutes. It’s like half the country forgot how bad 2020 was, not to mention the insane shit that went down day in and day out for years.
I hope, HOPE that we have the privilege of voting in four years, and that by some miracle, the president, Senate and house and SC (all projected to be Republican) somehow forget to fuck with our election system.
Hi, this sentiment from non-americans pisses me off and it’s okay, but I feel it’s important to explain why so I’m copying another comment I made today.
Goodness knows some of us are trying our best. I mean keep in mind our country is a democracy in name but systemically props up white supremacists in excess of the real popular opinion. And a media disinformation machine keeps the working class divided against itself, with open support from the wealthiest and owners of the most popular social media platforms. Social media platforms that, let’s be honest, are super recent inventions we are not yet capable of engaging with safely. It makes it an uphill battle to try to reach out to people whose necks aren’t on the line. And the responsibility to do so falls upon the disenfranchised themselves, who are increasingly saddled with economic and health burdens that might just kill us someday.
I get the potshots at Americans, but frankly I don’t plan on taking the blame if this goes tits up - many of us did a hell of a lot more than vote to resist fascism. Nothing happened here that isn’t happening elsewhere. And I’ll fight the notion that citizens at large are the problem. It’s a cynical outlook that serves to individualize the responsibility for a systematic disaster. Our country was built to make this possible after all. And I sure as hell know I don’t plan on giving up. Kind of morbidly curious about how much of an incompetent clusterfuck Project 2025’s implementation will be.
Victory or no, fascists are paper tigers and I plan on sticking around to remind them of that fact however I can.
Victory or no, fascists are paper tigers and I plan on sticking around to remind them of that fact however I can.
See, this is the issue.
It used to be this way. That until they’re actually in power (and I mean have removed the democractic process that could remove them from power again, too), fascists pose big but there’s no bite behind the bark.
But Jan 6 and Trump’s general antics being excused by his cronies in the SC have clearly shown that this is changing. People are emboldened by the fascist rise in all western countries, on top of the generally aggressive atmosphere worldwide as the older generations, unable to face their own misgivings and the shit they caused to pile up, would rather vote for fascism and “blaming Them™️” than accept that maybe it’s high time we accept some really rough times to turn the ship around.
Fully knowing that none of them will live long enough to actually suffer the outcome of their actions.
Even my dad started voting AfD. His reason being “It’s time something changes!”. He’s just unhappy with the status quo, even if you fully tell him that he, personally, is among those suffering under the AfD and they’re open about wanting to make things worse for him. It’s impossible to reason with these people, as them wanting to be reasoned with would mean they’d have to accept that between climate change and the secondary monumental tasks of trying to handle that which are all inherently global super-issues, too, their generation only had it good in their days because they were living on credit.
But does he truly care? No of course not. He’s old. He can be contrarian and vote “against the establishment”, and that this fucks everything up more or less permanently isn’t a problem for him since he’ll be long dead by the time the issues that could have been prevented truly come into force. Much as we’re already seeing some issues such as curtailed bodily autonomy for women, increase in violent climes, and of course climate disasters.
Things have changed. People fully do shit now simply because their age and general position in society shields them from the outcome, and they just want to be “against”. And they can openly flaunt this, so crime etc is on the rise. Big time.
Keep calm and carry on, mate. We here in Britain finally managed to get rid of the blonde fella who was wrecking our country, you can also do it. The new ones may not be much of an improvement, but I know one thing for sure - a decent citizen of any nation should never accept as their leader such a corrupted and crooked in so many ways person.
We traded an orange man for a white man and even that seemed to enrage the conservatives, a black woman? No chance. Proud to be an American here 🙄
Yeah with such a horrendous outcome, blame starts flying (it’s the republicans’ fault one billion percent more than anybody else’s, btw) and sometimes in moments of understandable fury people start saying shit. There are some people who this makes sense to say at, and some who it doesn’t, and they’re both Americans.
If the person saying it was born in a different country and did all the right things, they’d be saying this at themselves. For doing the right thing.
Whatever, precise wording and being super pissed off don’t go together. The sentiment that this is all super fucked up is right on the money.
You’re right. The sentiment more comes from the power the USA weilds globally vs the massive responsibility the population don’t seem to realise they have. If anything, the dumb motherfuckers will be the countries that keep allowing the USA to have this power while clearly the population - and by extension the new president - don’t take this responsibility seriously.
I’m lucky. I don’t live in Palestine or Ukraine, both of which are all but guaranteed to be fed to the wolves. It’s heartbreaking to watch the complacency of a population who think the price of eggs is worth more than thousands of people’s lives. But here we are… and we’re angry.
Also the US: Look at those foreign countries, bad guys because of what their government is doing regardless of whether it’s what their people want.
It kills me …I got into it with a colleague this morning while discussing this very topic. When I brought up that whatever the current trending “bad guy” is, we will always see an increase in hate crimes against that demographic in our own country. When I used the increased attacks on anyone appearing to be slightly middle eastern after 9/11 as an example she angrily spat out that “they’ve killed thousands of us.” And I had to remind her that she was literally giving an example of what we were discussing.
As if the rest of the world wasn’t on the same slippery slope…
Things are looking glum all over.
Yeah but Americans not being ~56% the dumb fuckwits they seemingly are would have sent a good positive signal to the rest.
Now the opposite happens and the fascists everywhere will feel strongly encouraged, on top of strong US-support for autocratic Russia and big support for completely depopulating Gaza (after all, Trump is a big fan of Neta “finishing the job” in his own words).
True, but I love how the first we blame for this outcome are the American people.
I blame Kamala Harris and her botching her campaign. She had amazing momentum at the start, then slowly threw it all away, instead politicking to small businesses and Republicans instead of workers and their own base: Democrats.
I have to say when I watched the debate whilst Kamala herself impressed me, nothing she said felt very inspirational. I thought it was pretty clear what big picture items the base wanted and all she could come up with was a payment to new families and help for small business. This is good and all, but not the larger national and foreign policy announcements people wanted.
They voted for a con man, a fascist, a criminal, someone who tried to steal the last election. Kamala could be a bowl of day old warm potato salad and voting for him would still be one of the dumbest things imaginable.
Doesn’t matter.
Self-interest matters. What politicians will do for voters matters. That day old potato salad may be better than Trump, but it’s not at all inspiring.
If Democrats really took fascism as a threat, they would have activated Tim Walz and his views and pushed as fast and as hard as they could with the time they had to make the most progressive campaign since Obama’s.
But they went after the base who would have voted for a fascist anyways.
This is Democrats’ own doing. Sorry.
“Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed.
That word is “Nazi.” Nobody cares about their motives any more.
They joined what they joined. They lent their support and their moral approval. And, in so doing, they bound themselves to everything that came after. Who cares any more what particular knot they used in the binding?”
History furnishes us with innumerable instances that prove this law. It shows, with a startling clarity, that whenever Aryans have mingled their blood with that of an inferior race the result has been the downfall of the people who were the standard-bearers of a higher culture. In North America, where the population is prevalently Teutonic, and where those elements intermingled with the inferior race only to a very small degree, we have a quality of mankind and a civilization which are different from those of Central and South America. In these latter countries the immigrants–who mainly belonged to the Latin races–mated with the aborigines, sometimes to a very large extent indeed. In this case we have a clear and decisive example of the effect produced by the mixture of races. But in North America the Teutonic element, which has kept its racial stock pure and did not mix it with any other racial stock, has come to dominate the American Continent and will remain master of it as long as that element does not fall a victim to the habit of adulterating its blood.
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The confederate states and their Jim Crow policies inspired Hitler. and black GIs came home from liberating Europe to be lynched for being “uppity”.
Are you kidding? Watching it happen in real time, it makes less sense than it ever did.
I lived in the shithole parts of the country, it made perfect sense.
Many ‘Americans’ would eat shit if they knew the smell would piss people off.
Well the entire multiplatform astroturfing campaign from people who call themselves leftists worked! Democrats stayed home instead of voting.
Now Palestine will be completely flattened with 0 resistance at all, and redoubled support and bombs for Israel! Way to go! You really showed your support for Palestine by helping this happen!
They will probably come back saying “it wasn’t our fault, we just pointed out the truth” while they shouted that a vote for Harris was a vote for genocide [so don’t vote for harris] from every platform that they used.
So fucking predictable.
Remember when Biden stepped down? Do you remember how unpopular he was and the massive wave of hope and support for Kamala that showed itself? Well, what the fuck did you think was gonna happen when Kamala glued herself to Biden, and tried to appeal to center right voters? They refuse to make compromises with the left, try to appeal to the center-right, and then blame the left for not voting for them; classic center/lib playbook, the same thing happens in Portugal, same thing happened in 2016 USA elections.
I thought that Democrats would win DESPITE the absolute dog shit campaign, given everything about Trump, but it was still an absolute dog shit campaign by people who claimed this was the most important election of people’s lives, but then dug their hills in ideologically and refused to compromise with people on their left.
If the situation wasn’t so dire, it would be hilarious to see the double think by Dem voters in this thread:
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“How can Rep voters not hold Trump accountable despite everything he’s done!”
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“It’s not the Dems fault that they lost, despite trying to appeal to the center-right instead of the left; it’s never their fault! It’s the leftists fault for not voting Dem! Kamala did nothing wrong!”
Well, what the fuck did you think was gonna happen when Kamala glued herself to Biden, and tried to appeal to center right voters? They refuse to make compromises with the left, try to appeal to the center-right, and then blame the left for not voting for them; classic center/lib playbook, the same thing happens in Portugal, same thing happened in 2016 USA elections.
The thing is, I strongly agree with you AND the person you replied to because although I’ve been agape at watching Kamala sprint away from the left from essentially the moment her candidacy was announced, and I think Democrat leadership is FAR too in the pocket of corporate interests, and far too welcoming of Republicans, she’s still so very obviously a better choice than Trump that I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around this. I’d have thought that women alone would have pushed Kamala over the top due to the whole Roe v. Wade thing.
In summary - all my grumpiness at the DNC and Kamala for ignoring the left again was still miles short of what would have propelled me to vote for Trump or enable a Trump win.
This shit exactly. They literally gave us nothing to vote for. All they really had was abortion, but that’s fuckin it? No other decent policy. And now I wonder if they see this outcome do they think they weren’t right wing enough? Stupid.
Ask yourself what do you think is going to happen next election? Answer: The Dems are going to go hard center. If the left doesn’t show up after Biden did green energy, IRA, student debt relief, non-compete clauses being banned via FTC, etc, AND to prevent a literal Hitler quoting fascist getting in, then the left either will literally never show up, or doesn’t exist. The left is done. No one is going to run a left platform for fucking decades. Because the left never shows up, or doesn’t exist.
How about the left instead make compromises with reality instead?
Fuck that noise, drama baby leftists who can’t think past tomorrow cost us this election.
You’ll probably be permabanned from the instance for saying this but obvious pro trump trolls will get a comment deleted once a day so it all balances out /s
Most of the leftists I know voted for Kamala.
And I love how Democrats’ first move after losing is to blame said leftists. We were the only ones calling out the bad moves of Kamala’s campaign from the beginning and warning what might happen if she didn’t adopt a Walz ticket (or mostly a Walz ticket).
Democrats did this to themselves. It’s the reason why they kept supporting a corpse of a candidate with Joe Biden for so long until the first presidential debate, and it’s also the reason why Hillary was picked over Bernie in 2016 at the DNC.
Leftists weren’t the issue. Democrats’ own willingness to ignore what was happening right in front of them was the issue.
Nah Trump won the popular vote too. This has nothing to do with voters staying at home. Trump won on the economy. I went to the gas station before voting yesterday and a redbull was $4 and a small bag of chips $3. I knew at that point there is a good chance that Trump would win.
Yeah price gouging by companies because of what they got away with during a shitty handling of covid under trump is a great reason to bring him back.
He is back because Americans are stupid and gullible. It really is that simple.
I went to the gas station before voting yesterday and a redbull was $4 and a small bag of chips $3. I knew at that point there is a good chance that Trump would win.
I don’t understand any logic that suggests Trump would improve this situation.
Like many things, trumpers are happy to believe it whether the logic is there or not.
I’ve seen real people I know personally, people with degrees and with jobs that affect people’s lives, honestly look forward to the lower gas prices and inflation if he were to get elected.
In think there’s just a lot of ignorance, and people not paying attention to real events and falling back to thinking that voting Republican means you support hard work and white people and saving money, while voting Democrat means you support tax & spend and love lazy minorities.
😮💨 point to the biden policy that would please. Then point to the harris campaign platform stating how she’d fix it. In fact harris took steps to signal she wouldn’t fix it by not committing to Khan.
Neither candidate was going to fix it. So whats next in the list?
It has, as voter turnout could be significantly better. It’s not yet clear what it is, but so far it doesn’t look very good.
What in saying is that it probably doesn’t have much to do with Gaza. People voted on the economy.
I’m sure Trump will get right on that and reduce those gas station snack prices for you
Well the entire multiplatform astroturfing campaign from people who call themselves leftists worked! Democrats stayed home instead of voting.
Yup. I spent the last month or so tagging them, and I have not seen a single one today.
Honest question: Why blame the voters? Why not blame Harris for refusing to do the obviously correct, ethical even moral thing regarding Gaza?
The democrats are so impossibly spineless that they wait for polls and focus groups for their talking points instead of standing up for their principles (if they really exist).
Dems spent the entire campaign trying to compromise with and convince right wingers acting in bad faith instead of just working towards progressive policies. They once and again let the GOP set the tone for every conversation.
The Dem’s attitude towards the genocide in Gaza is just a piece of evidence that shows their way of thinking: the dog race and politicking is more important that doing the right thing.
So stop blaming the voters and take a deep look into your own values and principles because the nation being obliterated right now in the middle east and the people who stand for them even at great cost to themselves are definitely not to blame.
Why blame the voters?
Cause they voted. Or didn’t. Ultimately the choice is with them and a large majority of people decided that they’ll vote for rapist, racist, authoritarian fuckwit or sit the fuck home because it doesn’t matter who is running the government.
You can talk strategies and blame Democratic party till cows come home but at the end of the day, the people have to choose the least bad option.
And if they weren’t willing to choose the least bad option, I think that says more about the least bad option than it does about the worst option.
Why not blame Harris for refusing to do the obviously correct, ethical even moral thing regarding Gaza?
Because I never saw Trump getting the exact same criticism. Not even when he told Netanyahu, “finish the job.”
Somehow Harris was always worse on Gaza to certain people.
The difference between them is you are never getting the votes that don’t give a shit about Palestine back from Trump. His voters don’t care. Democratic voters do. When both candidates have the exact same position (and “genocide harder or lighter” isn’t a difference in position, it’s still genocide) then the issue only causes people to not vote, or look at other policies. And then you add in alienating more democrats by going further right and copying their policies. The people who like them will still vote for the republican. The people liking democratic policies will cringe and step aside.
This post is a really good example of how the disinformation campaign actually worked on people and created this believe. Fascinating. And terrifying.
Or maybe, like they normally do, the Democrats failed to rally their base to vote, or didn’t give them enough incentive to get out and vote.
Biden had 4 years to make meaningful progress for the American people, and whether or not he did is irrelevant because Americans don’t feel better off than 4 years ago. Democrats spent the last year screaming about the economy doing amazing, while ignoring all of the polls showing Americans don’t feel that way.
Democrats spent the last year sending weapons shipment after weapons shipment to Israel to bomb Palestinian children, despite polls showing the majority of Americans wanted contingencies on the shipments. And the Democrats instead lectured their constituents about how what they’re seeing and hearing isn’t actually what it is, and it’ll be worse with the other guy!
Democrats spent the last 4 years doing nothing but try to return to the same status quo that isn’t working for the average American anymore. Biden’s hubris took the decision out of the people’s hands, and we were given a candidate we didn’t choose and told to shut up and like it because “fAsCiSm.”
Well, congratulations Democrat Party, we fell to fascism because that’s obviously a better alternative than actually putting forward progressive policies. And whether you like to hear it or not, the Republican voter supporting this fascist movement is doing so because they want change in this country too.
Only difference being, the Republicans are actually “progressing” their party along like their constituents want. Maybe the Democrats should try listening to their constituents for once and, idk, see if that maybe works in their favor for once?
What exactly is wrong with what they said? At the end of the day, democrats support the genocide too. You can’t say “republicans will do it harder hurr durr” and expect people to vote for the one that still is for genocide, but is a little bit shy about it. The end result is the same - the Palestinian state will never exist and the people will be killed. There is no difference if it happens over a year or over three. So that issue is brushed aside, or is the cause of not voting at all.
Then you have the absolutely idiotic move to the right. Saying “the border wall is a good idea” as a democrat? Come the F on.
What belief, may I ask?
Look, you can check my older comments to understand where I’m coming from. I’m open to listening and perhaps we both can learn something from all of this.
Because like it or not stopping aid for Israel would have pushed all Israel supporters to Trump. Sadly apparently most Palestine supporters are stupid enough to not see that is 1000x worse for them
Palestine supporters are stupid enough to not see that is 1000x worse for them
I don’t think this is a constructive way of looking at the situation. After all, being quiet about Netanyahu’s abuses wasn’t a winning strategy either. Besides, being scared of Israeli lobbying automatically makes you a bad leader.
Regular people don’t live reading obscure threads on Lemmy so I’m 100% sure that the effects of the comments posted by tankies here are negligible.
My point is that you can’t lose against the worst human being twice and keep blaming the electorate. If they want to lead, the dems have to stand for something instead of complaining about turnout or in general blaming anyone else but themselves. It was THEIR job to get out the vote.
Trump is a monumental POS but the dems prefer to cater to the people who voted for him instead of the people who want legitimate pro-working-class policies.
The simple answer is you blame people for the things they do. Kind of fucking basic.
Yeah harris should have ran a better campaign with less genocide and more pro labor policies.
This had nothing to do with Gaza. This election shows Gaza doesn’t matter one iota. Ukraine didn’t matter one bit. Not even your own human rights mattered. This was inflation, housing, and (further on the right) xenophobia. Clinton was right, “it’s the economy stupid” (even though Dems are better for the economy).
In general I agree, because their campaign definitely could’ve been better and it should’ve been better. But on the other hand this election wasn’t genocide or no genocide, without a significant shift in either political party that would happen regardless. If you really wanted to twist it into “genocide or no genocide” then that vote was “completely support genocide” or “begrudgingly support genocide”.
But really this election was between “full steam straight into fascism” and “chance to not go into fascism”. It’s obvious that if you don’t vote for the latter you either want fascism or don’t care that you’re getting fascism. That is on the voters. They could’ve voted to pass the fascism buck to the next election, but they didn’t. Now America is getting fascism.
Honest question: Why blame the voters? Why not blame Harris for refusing to do the obviously correct, ethical even moral thing regarding Gaza?
Because it’s only one issue out of many that need to be addressed (I didn’t say fixed because IMHO the IDF are doing pretty good work eradicating Hamas, all things considered).
You guys need to take care of your housing, healthcare, gerrymandering, public transport, student loans, separation of religion and government and a truckload of other things that I don’t think Trump has any interest in improving. And you can bet your bottom dollar that Trump won’t be any “better” in regards to the situation in Gaza and the rest of the middle east.
So the voters that didn’t vote Harris purely because of the Gaza issue are to blame for their short sightedness.
Okay so blame the arabs in Wisconsin. Got it. Now do Pennsylvania. Why did they go trump. Tell me more mr oracle.
You are right. We can’t keep blaming other citizens like ourselves.
There is one group of people that led us to this point: Democrats themselves. And by Democrats, I mean those in power, delegates, podcast hosts, and the ones supposedly “leading” the party. Not the electorate.
They are the ones that wished Biden would be able to make it to a second term, when the first presidential debate clearly showed otherwise. They are the ones that pushed un-Democratic policies in hopes of winning over a base they’ve never captured: Republicans. They are the ones that dropped the ball on one of the greatest feats of Kamala’s campaign that could have sent her over the finish line: Tim Walz and a progressive agenda.
Yes, thank you for putting it better than me.
Especially Re: podcast hosts, I follow a couple of “progressive” podcasts and they showed their true colors very clearly when one day they were strongly shilling for Biden and admonishing any differing opinion. Then magically they changed tunes when the situation was inescapable. They came off as strongly disingenuous and spineless.
We can’t keep blaming other citizens like ourselves.
Fucking what? Donald Trump won the popular vote. We blame those people.
DNC relies on Zionist/Israel first funding, even as most of it went to Trump. Every other oligarch/lobby group allies with Zionism because failure to do so would hurt their interests, if it upset the Zionists who overspend relative to usual Israel aid amounts given each year. Zionism is integral to oil geopolitics by dividing the middle east, and providing war spending opportunities. Do you think tech, farmers or manufacturing can oppose that trifecta of power?
Fuck, this his hard. As a father of a gay child, and a trans child, our immediate plans are passports.
*Visa. Passport won’t be enough to travel to the EU and select other countries in 2025.
As you know, we’re in a similar boat. Thankfully, we can get to Britain and stay (in theory) but the prospect of telling my elderly mother and my wife’s family goodbye for the last time, finding the money, finding new jobs with my health issues, just downsizing so that we can move…
But we are doing it.
I hope you and your family find safety and my best wishes to all of you.
They’ve already done it to gay and trans people. Last time the Muslim ban was foiled by the courts. Now that the Republicans control the presidency, the SC, the house and Senate, little stands in their way. Project 2025’s Schedule F will see to that.
Some states did an amazing self-own tonight, and unfortunately both teams are going to endure some severe beatings. I feel absolutely sick right now. Poor us. Poor Ukraine. Poor middle east. Taiwan is so fucking boned.
Broooo what kills me is how many Latino men voted for this!! I saw a statistic that was like 59%
Trump didn’t mean them when he said “they” were poisoning the blood of our country.
And, of course, they will never get rounded up and put in a camp. As long as they have the proper identification on them that shows they’re a citizen when checked. And the cop checking will believe that identification is both genuine and not stolen.
Italy has a digital nomad visa now. Cost of living is so so but if you can freelance it’s not a terrible place to live as an expat. Source: am US dual citizen living here. Feel free to pm me with any qs
She might’ve toned it down a bit since she got elected, but Meloni is a fascist too.
Yes, any criticism is just people with anger issues, that’s sorta my point guy.
Ed: also notice I get civility hits from everywhere else, the only ones that contain personal bias are yours.
It will though, the US passport offers a ton of visa-free destinations. Although it’s not immigration,it definitely helps
I imagine that’s going to change. Why would anyone welcome someone who statistically was very likely to have voted for a fascist? America will never be respected ever again
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