In 1982 SCOTUS made a decision on this:
“We hold that the petitioner, as a former President of the United States, is entitled to absolute immunity from damages liability predicated on his official acts.”
The media, the Democrats, but I repeat myself, have all been lying to you. This has always been the case. Nothing has changed.
That Liberal Media that keeps treating Trump like a real candidate despite the 34 felonies?
I copy and pasted from the 1981 ruling. Anyway, hope you have a good one!
He’s pointing out what you posted says damages liability, which means something completely different. Basically means I couldn’t have sued Regan for fucking over 90% of the American populous financially. It doesn’t mean he has immunity to everything that is an official act. Big difference.
“We hold that the petitioner, as a former President of the United States, is entitled to absolute immunity from damages liability predicated on his official acts.”
Specifically, immunity from civil damages. The president couldn’t be sued by randos claiming he cost them a job or whatever.
This is a new class of fascism. Keep on trollin’.
The president has always enjoyed immunity for performing official duties. Obviously.
Nope, the real lie was SCOTUS was becoming liberal instead of just making a few liberal rulings here and there. This was used as a battle cry to put in more conservatives, remember the “activists” judges they were wringing their hands about. So now we don’t even get a few liberal rulings sprinkled here and there.
Full stop, SCOTUS has always been conservative. History has already proven this
Well when we have a Right Wing party (Democrats) and a Fascism Party (Republicans) one of those is preferable to the other
This most recent ruling wildly expanded the immunity, added presumed immunity for adjacent actions, and phrased everything in such a way that actually prosecuting the president for literally anything will take years.
Say the president does something you think is illegal and should be prosecuted. Stop. Before you can take him to court over that, you need to determine if what he did was “official” or “unofficial.” SCOTUS didn’t give deterministic guidelines to differentiate, so you need to have a separate court case just for that. Alright so let’s have the court case that determines whether what the president did was official or unofficial. Let’s introduce some evidence—
Stop. Evidence from official acts cannot be introduced in a case to prove something was unofficial. So you actually need to have a separate court case to determine if that evidence is official or unofficial. Once you have your results, one party won’t like it and will appeal it up and up to the supreme court. Repeat for potentially every single piece of evidence.
Okay now that we know what evidence we can and can’t introduce, we can finally determine if what the president did was official or unofficial. Once we have a result, one party won’t like it and it will be appealed all the way up to the supreme court again. Only when SCOTUS rules the action was unofficial (IF they rule it was unofficial) can you then BEGIN the process of actually taking the president to court over that action.
This will take years, not to mention the supreme court is appointed by the president and it recently ruled that taking bribes after you do something instead of before is perfectly legal actually. This is all by design. The point is to keep this all tied up in court for years, which effectively gives the president full immunity for everything. And he can also pressure the courts or judges to rule his way via any number of threats (if you think that’s an unofficial act, feel free to take him to court over it).
This is pretty clearly designed to functionally protect the president from all culpability (which the dissenting SCOTUS opinions agree on, ergo their dissent).
Before prosecuting a president you have always had to stop and determine if what was done was in an official capacity or an unofficial capacity. It’s been like that for 200 years. That’s why you can’t charge bush 1, bush 2, or Obama with war crimes. Furthermore, the court made their stance on Trump quite clear. They did not dismiss any of his cases. If they were in his pocket, and he had this absolute immunity as you claim, all cases would be dropped.
Folks, it’s quite clear what the president can and cannot do. He can pardon, appoint, dismiss, and instruct the military to take actions and has full immunity to do so. Which of course the president must have full immunity for those actions. If you or I send a missle to kill people we would get charged. The president would not.
Moreover, presumptive immunity leaves the door wide open. The ruling says that any action taken with presumptive immunity may be challenged and that the burden is on the government to show that the action was not within the presidents duties, and failed to uphold the constitutional oath taken. If the president blatantly breaks the law that burden of proof would be childish to gather. The president is not above the law, and never was.
The thing is, this country has existed for nearly 250 years without this ruling and the president having any sort of immunity. The idea that we suddenly need this is ridiculous. So what changed? Well, Trump of course. And yes, this is all about Trump. This ruling didn’t come out of nowhere. It came from Trump making claims about immunity, the lower courts dismissing the claims as nonsense, until the supreme court took it up and here we are.
You can’t charge them for war crimes bc war crime isn’t a US law. This didn’t exist before and the official unofficial distinction was explicitly created in the ruling. The above post outlines exactly the process now established to block any case, suggesting that because a more ridiculously comically corrupt version of a ruling exist that this isn’t it nonsense and clearly demonstrative of your goal to spin propaganda.
Your post is a lie, self contradictory and explicit propaganda. Your account should be blocked and banned.
I wish the dnc didn’t fuck him over
Me too. Well, I guess I’ll support the dnc anyway and vote for biden/genocide because I prefer trump’s policies with biden’s veneer of politeness rather than trump’s policies with trump’s veneer of impoliteness.
You’re free to commit terroristic political assassinations if you feel the two party system is too restrictive. It worked fine for Oswald.
It also works well for the CIA, which has been rescuing Nazis and assassinating leftwing political leaders around the world for decades. Oswald was also working for them. Oh well, back to watching CIA talking heads on MSNBC / CNN / the New York Times / the glorified reddit with extra steps known as lemmy
Best I can do is stern warnings
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In other words everyone, things are not going according to Liberals/Democrats, so, we need to change the entire structure, Constitution, and political system in America.
Republicans’ stated goal is to change the entire structure and political system in America and the 6-3 ideologically Christian scotus has already begun ignoring the constitution.
This is the very definition of a constitutional and democratic crisis. If democrats don’t do something as the only other party with any power, republicans will make sure they no longer have the opportunity the first chance they get.
Now is really not the time for “both sides” logic to prevent democrats from acting.
Bernie/AOC ticket 2024 plz
Or 2028 if we still have elections then
Is it the age that bothers you or is it the cognitive decline/attitudes that typically come with age?
I don’t know much about Bernie but it seems like he doesn’t have much of the latter
Honestly, the only problem I really have with Biden is superficial, and it’s mostly because most other people are superficial.
This election can only be won by breaking apathy. That takes a confident and strong speaker. Apathetic voters don’t watch the news every day. They don’t know what Biden is up to. But debates are like the Superbowl of politics, and even is they don’t watch the whole game, they won’t be able to avoid the highlights.
That performance did not inspire confidence. He was meek and paled next to Trump’s booming confident voice. Doesn’t matter that he was spewing shit, he sounded good doing it.
Could you imagine Obama doing that? Or Bill Clinton? Hell no. Those guys were popular because they had confidence. They oozed it, but not at the point where they appear arrogant.
Bidens strategy should have been to turn off his speaker whenever Trump talked and just guessing what he said and rebutting that. You can’t counter his every point, it takes far more work to dismantle a lie than it is to make one.
I know Biden is smart, I know he’s a skilled politician and I know that he’s got a hell of a staff and cabinet. And ultimately that’s really the biggest criteria for an administration.
I wouldn’t mind him tapping out and calling in a pitch hitter though. A stronger and more confident candidate, with Bidens endorsement, could take it. Bernie, but younger. Obama, but white (anything else is sadly a non-starter for too many purple states). Bill, but less pervy. That’s what will win the election.
AOC for president, Bernie for vice (cause ageist societal concerns).
Or, Bernie as President, AOC as Prime Minister (using SCOTUS’ ruling to rewrite all laws and current established government).
Why would we have a PM? We already have the Speaker of the House and the Senate Majority Leader. And the PM wouldn’t be able to exercise any executive powers unless you burned the constitution, because separation of powers.
There’s not really a good reason to adopt a parliamentary system like the UK’s for example if we were to completely reform the government imo. Or to have a PM separate from the president at all.
My god can we get a younger social Democrat please? Fuckin A I’m tired of people born before WW2 ended making all the policy decisions. I was going to say before the moon landing but they were all adults when that happened. They’re not even Boomers. They’re fucking older than boomers.
Who cares how old they are as long as they have the right positions on the issues and a sound mind? I love having people with some wisdom in there.
You’ve never seen what dementia can do to a person. Or, just the general confusion that comes with age. I’m happy for you, honestly it sucks to watch. Someone who used to know everything suddenly gets confused on the way to a restaurant they’ve been to a thousand times. Forgets why they called, or even that they called you in the first place. And, importantly, have their opinions flip on a dime with no warning whatsoever.
This isn’t necessarily dementia, it can be caused by any number of things, ailments that younger people would brush off without a thought.
The problem is apparently having someone in office that will live long enough to actually reap what they sow. I didn’t used to think this would ever be a thing we’d have to be worried about, but, here we are. Environmental issues in particular hit this note I think.
Most of America. But they aren’t becoming politicians. Mostly because politicians are really bad people for the most part. You get maybe 5 percent that don’t have ulterior motives.
