Thank fuck. This man can go down in history as the savior of the Republic if he fucks off and endorses someone else.
Regardless of one’s opinion of the current situation, that he is considering it is a good thing. There are probably no good options, but if the pros and cons are weighed and the conclusion is that Biden endorsing someone else is the better choice, then that’s what should be done.
Regardless, voting this November is about voting against fascism, regardless of who the Dem candidate is.
I still want him to go full Dark Brandon and save his race by being a complete and unmitigated lunatic pointed at Trump and the GOP.
BUT…
…if you all want him to drop out, you need to push collectively. He has given in before.
I’d prefer him to stay in if, realistically speaking, he is capable of doing so.
However, I also recognize that, even if he IS capable of doing so, he has not inspired confidence in the electorate in being capable of doing so. That alone may mandate his replacement even if all it was was a bad night.
I don’t think he’s in rapid decline - but if he is, or if he isn’t but feels he cannot convincingly portray himself as well going forward, stepping down might be the right choice.
I think what’s really put strain on his mental capacity is the campaign. It’s one thing to be in a demanding position as an elected official, at his age, but then add on all the campaign stops, speeches, and events. It’s too much for most people.
The dark Brandon stuff is 98% fluff, talk, and meme. Biden has already said that they’re going to take the high road on the presidential immunity matter. So, we’re going to high road all the way to fascism while waiting for Biden to do the meme.
He should do both. Abuse his new powers to somehow cause a sever detriment to Trump or Fascism or both, then be like ‘Oh im not the guy for the next four years.’ It would literally be having your cake and eating it two. Biden actual having balls and Biden stepping aside are both moves that will more than likely track super hard with anyone who’s not already locked for Trump.
Scorch Trumps earth then drop the mic and the chances they call for a Democratic encore will skyrocket I’d bet.
If he steps down it would be the perfect time for him to be dark brandon because of he’s attacking in the right ways trump couldn’t help by focus on bidden and not the new guy, trump might even take resources meant to attack the new guy to hit back at bidden
I really want biden to dangle a parden over trump’s head and call him out for taking oil money because he poor
She is almost exactly 8 years younger than Harris. If Biden flat-out resigns over this, I expect President Harris to nominate Whitmer as her VP. I look forward to that hearing in the House (since they have to approve the appointment too, although they will likely just sit on it.)
Imagine Harris-Whitmer for 8 years, then Whitmer-someoneyounger for 8 more
Harris is not a viable ticket head.
The sturm und drang of this is gonna be a friggin nightmare if they don’t do this cleanly.
Lol, in that scenario picking a new VP requires confirmation from both house and Senate.
Do you think the house GOP would confirm anyone? Or keep the spot open and just have Speaker Johnson next in line?
How do we feel about a woman of color as president with the next in line being a christo-facist? What’s the presidential odds of assassination, 14%?
The only way it can possibly go down is to pick Harris. Biden already picked Harris as his understudy. And all those votes for Biden in the primaries were also implicitly for Harris, given Biden’s age.
Harris doesn’t inspire confidence for me, but she may still be the better choice. Regardless, if she’s the Dem candidate, she has my total support for this election, because I would very much like a choice in every election of my life going forward.
I think pushing the first black VP aside could go more poorly than people expect. Whether or not we like Harris (I don’t), shes been a loyal VP this whole time and I can’t imagine she’s going to like having her only shot at the big chair taken away from her. I think keeping Harris as VP no matter what is the best path forward. You keep some continuity, you don’t really piss off any voters, and you keep everyone unified. A unified front is the only possible way any of this will work. If everyone fractures and infights until November we’re still fucked.
Harris has too much baggage and is outright hated, even by her own staff. If she wasn’t VP, she wouldn’t even be considered, and picking her for VP was a bad call.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article233375207.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/30/kamala-harris-office-dissent-497290
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/people-really-really-do-not-want-to-work-for-kamala-harris/
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/12/kamala-harris-favorability-poll-00162093
I’m glad he’s taking it seriously. It looks like the next few events he does are going to be really important in determining his next steps. If they go badly, I think he drops. If they go well, he’ll probably stay in.
I also 100% believe that Biden is fully aware of this article and likely encouraged the NYT’s source to approach the media. Part of evaluating this whole thing is going to be gauging public opinion and testing the waters.
Michelle Obama could drop in and win in an instant in a landslide.
8 more years of Obama is music to the world’s ears.
No she couldn’t. Voters like her now because they don’t know her as a politician. They would find issues as the campaign progressed.
I do not give a fuck who is D on the ticket. I’m still voting D because the alternative is disastrous. If Biden stays, I am voting for him. With the exception of the Israeli genocide of Palestinians, the administration has been very competent. Remember, that old man doesn’t do much. The work is done by his team. Now think back on the work and damage the Trump team did. The choice is easy.
The work is done by his team
And this is really important. He’s got some kickass people he’s appointed. Id vote for Joe just to keep Lena Khan at the FTC. All those people get replaced by fascists in the event Trump wins again. Unlike last time, every single member of his administration is going to be a loyalist.
Thank you! It drives me nuts that this isn’t the key takeaway in every post and article I see. On one hand we an amped up old man who would sell out his family for a dollar, let alone the rest of us who is friends with dictators and thinks they’re really sharp people with good ideas, and is also a convicted felon who surrounds himself with other current or future convicted felons, and has been saying for years he wants to imprison or hurt his critics. On the other hand, we have a barely older, regular old man who at least has good intentions, hires competent people, and who makes mistakes but admits to them and learns from it, who happens to be very stereotypically old man. How people are making this an apples to apples comparison is insane.
This behavior with Joe didn’t start at the debate. It’s the same Joe we’ve had for years. And this isn’t new, even for people younger than Biden is.
Guardian, 2008: Fatigue and racism threaten to knock Obama bandwagon off the road
Barack Obama was showing signs of campaign fatigue. Sitting on a picnic bench in a park on Pagoda Street, Indianapolis, in discussion with a group of 30 supporters, he told a story about the “modest” background of himself and his wife, Michelle. And 10 minutes later, seemingly having forgotten, he told them it all again.
It is hardly surprising, given that he has been on the road almost non-stop since Christmas, battling Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination. In recent weeks, he has often seemed absent-minded, forgetting the names of the towns he is in.
Tiredness is the least of Obama’s problems. After a relatively smooth and well-planned march towards the Oval Office, his campaign is facing its greatest crisis. “He is in the middle of a shit storm,” one of the journalists travelling with him said.
First and foremost: The New York Times has a very well known anti-Biden bias https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/04/25/new-york-times-biden-white-house-00154219
Second: While it is very important to understand that not all sources can go “on the record” this… is purely a rumor from an unattributed source “close to the president”.
So can we please stop cheering on russian/ccp/trump propaganda?
Absolutely true. But they also understand running this particular story isn’t their usual, harping, crypto-republiQan article.
I think (unless they’ve decided to go full evil), they actually have this source who actually heard Biden say that. That’s really all we need to know.
If Joe Biden sticks around and manages to win, he’ll be remembered as a pretty average president. If he sticks around and loses, he’ll be remembered as a politician whose arrogance hurt the whole country.
If he withdraws without more fuss, he’ll be remembered as an extraordinarily decent and humble man, especially among politicians, regardless of the results of the election.
If He steps side and the next D loses, it would also be biden’s fault for throwing away his encumbancy advantage.
Remember, whoever gets chosen to replace Biden, even if it were Ronald Reagan, or mitt Romney, Trump and company will say they are even more liberal than Biden and will take away guns, force all women to get post 9 month abortions etc. And Maga, conservatives will believe it since there’s no evidence to the contrary. With Biden, he hasn’t fine those things these past 4 years. He’s Only “done a bag job”
I feel like Biden is in a difficult situation and voters are partially to blame for electing Biden in 2020 over another younger/healthier candidate (i voted Bernie who is old, but seems healthier than Biden in some ways).
If Joe Biden sticks around and manages to win, he’ll be remembered as a pretty average president.
Hardly. What is that based on? Are his accomplishments boring to you?
Oh, I see you’re just making the case for him to withdraw. Eh, fair enough.
Well, yeah, I am making the case for him to withdraw. I think he’s a very good president and if he remains the Democrat candidate I’ll vote for him. I just don’t think enough people feel the same way for him to win.
His accomplishment are, indeed, boring to the average voter. His agenda was the Democrat agenda. It was the right agenda, in my opinion, but any Democrat president would have been about the same. Willingly stepping aside, on the other hand, would be a noteworthy gesture of humility that we don’t see often.
It’s pretty disheartening. People had a better opinion of the economy when me and my friends could only get jobs that paid in experience for 5 years.
But in that case, even during the highest unemployment, most people still had their jobs so to them the only difference was things were cheaper, people were willing to do things for you for less money (or free of you’d tell your friends how helpful I was).
I mean whether it’s true or not is one thing but there are plenty of articles about how poor his administration has been at communicating victories. That would prolly play into it.
I’d vote for a bag of Biden’s toenail clippings over Trump. Stay in the race or leave, I don’t really care, so long as they’ve got a winning strategy to follow. Trump has done enough damage to this country - let’s not give him another round.
I wish only the best to not-Trump, whoever that ends up being.
