followed with ‘I wasn’t aware is so important to you. I didn’t want to insult you and if you felt so, I apologize. The word fuck is one I use very often, but I’ll try to control myself around you’

Note I didn’t insult the coworker (no fuck you or fuck off), but simply said ‘fuck’ out loud due to a job error.

55 points

Don’t add the while your around bit.

I’m going to work on improving my language, and I’ll be mindful going forward, it’s a very deep habit, so please bear with me.

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Also, don’t say, “I wasn’t aware it was so important to you.” That’s definitely a trigger phrase.

Try, “Thank you for letting me know this is important for you,” (or “how you feel”) instead.

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I am going to work on improving my language, and I will be mindful going forward. It’s a very deep habit, so please bear with me. Thank you for letting me know this is important for you.

Not too shabby!

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Yes! Love it.

I hear “I wasn’t aware” as sarcasm a lot.

“Oh SOWWIE I wasn’t AWARE I couldn’t shit on the floor!”

Vs

“Thank you for letting me know it is important not to shit on the floor.”

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A lot of the response here has been around the way the ‘apology’ focusses too much on the person who’s supposed to be receiving the apology and not the person who has something to apologise for. The intended draft follows along the classic lines of “sorry if you feel that way” which implies that the person being apologized to is really the one in the wrong for having taken offence and the apologizer is just indignant at being forced to say anything rather than actually sorry for anything.

I get all that, but… Is there no way to sincerely express being sorry for not considering or anticipating another person’s individual response to something as opposed to the thing itself? Without seemingly blaming them for that response? It’s still about the apologiser’s actions in having been inconsiderate in their deployment of language then, just not for the actual language. I ask because your proposed change “I’m going to work on improving my language” implies that the error was in using the word fuck at all and that their language is in general faulty in some way. I don’t think that’s the case. Having a manner of speech that includes that word is not something inherently bad, the bad behaviour necessitating an apology as I see it is for being too presumptive in assuming this particular person would have no problem with it when it’s known that some people might and also for not immediately taking that person’s offence seriously in the immediate aftermath when they expressed having taken offence (they didn’t take it seriously, this is a follow up post).

It seems reasonable, if expressed very carefully, to commit to avoiding the word around them, since that’s all that person can reasonably want, that’s the problematic behaviour that is getting in the way of their working together. Committing to improving their language can really only mean committing to not saying that word generally which is defacto suggesting the word itself, not the lack of consideration is the problem and also puts OP in a position now of being on the hook in future not just for using the word around this individual but in all other circumstances as well something they shouldn’t promise. If the work environment is such that nobody else speaks like this and they’re the only one then sure, it should have been common sense to begin with and such a commitment is a no brainer, but if it’s otherwise common practice and it’s just this one person they need to accommodate then that’s what should be done, accommodating this one specific person in order not to offend in future and apologising in order to let them know that you hear them and consider their feelings important.

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It’s pretty straightforward. If the apology is expressed around how the other person perceives things. It’s not a real apology.

I’m sorry you feel that way. I’m sorry you think that. I’m sorry you took that misunderstanding from me.

In fact, in these situations, it may be better not to apologize at all. I realize some of the language I use isn’t great, I’m working on it, please understand I’m not going to be perfect at it.

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Dunno. I’d expect grown ass adults to be able to put their personal feelings aside for the sake of professional obligations. If your coworker is gonna get upset at everything, he’s not in for a very good time.

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I agree with the sentiment, but if we’re going to make that argument based around professionalism, I would also have to argue that it’s not very professional to use that kind of language in a work setting.

So maybe this is a situation where both sides can grow.

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it’s not very professional to use that kind of language in a work setting.

That depends massively on the profession, setting, and context.

Restaurant kitchen where something gets spilled, a trade where something unexpectedly breaks, a couple lawyers without anyone else around finding out their client is on camera admitting to the crime, etc. are all fine to say a calm ‘oh fuck’ as a reaction. Someone in an open office who yelled it because their code didn’t compile would not be acting very professional.

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OP is a nurse in a hospital.

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It may be more common among certain job types, but I don’t think that makes it professional behavior to do so regardless of the type of work.

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Than replacement words shouldn’t be acceptable either, you can either express your frustration or you can’t. A choose of word shouldn’t make a difference, it should be unprofessional to make an outburst at all if that’s the case.

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It doesn’t seem to me that OP’s coworker had an issue with professionalism. Rather, they seem to have been triggered by the use of the word

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OP came to share a thing they’re doing and you built this story as a extremely sensitive coworker?

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Getting offended by “fuck” is very sensitive behaviour

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Extremely.

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I work in a very large tech company. I curse like a fucking sailor around some people and use my church voice around others. Expletives lose their punch when used too often.

I wouldn’t apologize or bring it up further. The time for an apology about language spoken in the heat of the moment is as soon after as possible.

The best apology is a change in behavior.

Good luck navigating this, you can see how contentious a topic it is by the comments in this thread. But it boils down to know your audience, and believe people when they tell you they have a problem.

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I remember working in the London UK office and we curse non-stop over there it’s great. Whenever our colleagues from SF would visit they would always be surprised how much we swear. I’d see them do the turnaround like, ‘what just happened?’.

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is it an office. if so the apology should be more about your behavior in a professional setting not just around one person. If its blue collar it might apply if members of the public are around.

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This is a solid point.

In a polite environment like an office, if one person was offended enough to call it out, there’s a huge chance others feel the same way.

I mean there will always be Karen’s who flip out that you’re just eating chips loudly.

But It’s up to the company culture to decide how to approach it as a whole, rather than address it with a single person.

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Somewhat. the office environment is the employers and generally follows a civil discourse type of rule. Again in blue collar if your on a site and everyone there is just a worker then usually swearing is commonplace but if your doing a job at a home and the homeowners are around its generally frowned upon. Public businesses usually do not allow it but will let it slip if its not confrontational or often. So basically the apology is more about the owner of the space I would say and whats appropriate.

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I would censor the work f–k because it might come off like you’re being passive aggressive and aren’t really trying. Reminds of the time the actor that played Burke on Grey’s Anatomy called the actor that played George a fa—t, then made a public apology saying he’s sorry he called him a fa—t and that he wont say fa—t again, except he said the word. People got even more pissed, and I think he was fired from the show. 🤦

I previously made a comment on how I’ve learned to apologize if you’re interested.

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I would censor the work f–k

Instance checks out

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