These might be the good old days. Go outside, feel the grass, say wassup to your neighbors,… whatever you do that means community, because sh*t might get bad for a while.

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I wonder if those folks who cast a protest vote for Jill Stein will be sleeping soundly tonight… I sure hope not. I hope they’re fucking terrified.

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Of course they are sleeping soundly. They’d literally be marching into the camps convinced they did the right thing.

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With how few actual thoughts go through their minds I’m sure they’ll sleep well enough.

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You definitely are going to sleep better by not supporting any criminal with blood on his hands. There’s many other things other than voting you can do to change things for good, if you are not fine with Jill Stein and believe she’s evil don’t vote for them either

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Isn’t Jill Stein effectively a republican asset at this point? Like not just a spoiler candidate but one actively funded by the right?

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Yes, and actively rooting for Trump to win.

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Voted PSL, and yah, I am terrified.

The difference is I am also terrified about what will happen with the Democrats in power. About the unlimited slop being handed to the military-industrial complex so they can ship guns to Israel to continue a genocide. About the crackdown on immigrants and refugees. About the global poor being crushed under the bootheels of American-led capitalism.

To support the Democratic party is to actively decide to place less value on the lives of non-Americans, something I simply cannot do. You want to vote for Harris as harm reduction, be my guest. But understand that the problems facing America cannot, and will not, be solved by voting. Voting should be an absolutely minor thing in the totality of your political actions. Join, start, or support a union. Find what mutual aids groups are nearby, and participate. Join protests. Pressure your local politicians. Support your comrades in their direct action campaigns. Build political power that is under your control, not the control of a system invented in the 1700s by a bunch of wealthy white slaveowners.

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Voting should be an absolutely minor thing in the totality of your political actions. Join, start, or support a union. Find what mutual aids groups are nearby, and participate. Join protests. Pressure your local politicians. Support your comrades in their direct action campaigns. Build political power that is under your control, not the control of a system invented in the 1700s by a bunch of wealthy white slaveowners.

Totally with you!

Voted PSL, and yah, I am terrified.

Ah, you lost me. You see a problem, but you seem to be unwilling to accept that there are incremental steps to solving that problem, and the first step is to make sure Trump loses this election. If you aren’t doing everything you can to effect that result, you are, to put it simply, fucking up.

To support the Democratic party is to actively decide to place less value on the lives of non-Americans

Netanyahu wants Trump to win, and with good reason. Harris might not have good policy with regards to Israel / Palestine, but Trump’s is indisputably worse, if you aren’t staunchly pro-Israel. Furthermore, Harris is better in pretty much every measurable metric including climate change, where Trump’s “Burn it all down” policy would doom us all.

To be clear, if I was going to be a single issue voter, climate change would be that issue, not foreign policy, because if we fuck that one up, everyone loses.

It’s cool, though - I’m sure the people dying in Gaza if Trump wins will understand that you couldn’t vote for “better” because it wasn’t “perfect”. Your 12-16 year plan for change will surely make them feel better about their situation, when Trump is encouraging Israel to do whatever they need to to end the conflict quickly.

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If you’re so concerned about 3rd parties being a spoiler, then you must work towards replacing First-past-the-post voting in your state.

With a more representative electoral system, people would be free to vote for those they feel best represent them, with their vote still being counted against the republicans.

State level electoral reform is possible, some states have already done away with FPTP voting, and others are voting on it!

Given how this structural flaw in our voting system can be repaired, and your high level of concern of the spoiler effect, I invite you to my asklemmy post to discuss your new commitment to replacing FPTP voting in your state after the election.

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replacing First-past-the-post voting in your state

Yeah, well, incidentally, ranked choice voting was on the ballot in 2020. We had a sign out encouraging people to vote for it, and I talked it up to whomever it would listen when political discourse came up, but it didn’t pass, so here we still are.

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170 points

I just hope if he loses, it’s by a wide margin so there’s no challenge. Just decisive victory and we can all move on….

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Don’t underestimate their tactic. For the republican presidential campaign, they will recognize only one of two outcomes: victory, or election tampering/fraud/manipulation. And, the wider the margin of win, the stronger the rhetoric will be.

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15 points

Trump insisted he won the popular vote in 2016. That was him setting this whole thing up.

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55 points

As long as he loses I think it’s mostly good. He currently does not hold the levers of power, and I think as much as his supporters like to play the victim, I think a second loss will lead to evaporating support. Hard to pretend to be a strongman when you look weak

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A second loss should be a death knell of the current Republican party. He won’t transition any of his power to Vance or any other Republicans. He could die and we still would see 10% of the Americans to vote for him in 2028 because his death was just media propaganda as far as they are concerned.

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4 points

I can easily see the party fracture, Republicans and MAGA. If they do split it may be a while before they come back into power.

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28 points

Stop teasing me with best case scenarios.

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10%? Try 25%-30%

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His rallies have fizzled and I suspect this year (unlike 2016) a lot of these attendees were paid for their attendance, hence the common early exodus we have seen from his “supporters”.

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Expect the challenge. I’ve been watching the usual suspects on Twitter, they’re completely bwashed into thinking there’s only one possible outcome, and if it goes against them it means there’s been election fraud. They’re already calling it a landslide.

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7 points

This, after ten years of this orange baboon dominating the headlines and flinging shit everywhere I’m ready for it to end.

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2 points

I hoped for his removal.

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Sorry, but I just had to take a peek at your profile. You claim to be on an autism spectrum, yet you voted for a man who will - as the first order of business - make your very life extremely miserable.

That is my take. May I ask what is yours?

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bOTh SiDEs 🙄

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2 points

What we need is to slow down and take everything slowly. Don’t rush and recount and investigate if needed.

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Trump will challenge no matter what the margin is, if he loses. He will never concede because he’s a narcissistic loser and his moron followers will blindly do his bidding, especially on the next January 6.

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If we are being honest I suspect this election will be tight. Let’s try not to pull a democrat this time. In 2020 they voted to uphold the election without any recounts because there was a democrat majority in Congress. When you are elected leader it is your job to serve the people. They should’ve at least looked into Trumps claims even if they were fabricated.

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They did… and found nothing except an occasional republican fraud. The facts don’t matter to facists.

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They should’ve at least looked into Trumps claims even if they were fabricated.

to be clear, trump has made 10x the amount of public claims, privately, every single one was either incredibly illegal. Or fucking wrong. Not a single one was correct.

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Like. Did people forget how insane everyday was when he was President? Like you never knew what was gonna happen he was always wanting the attention.

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exactly what i was thinking about. it was such a tense and shameful period.

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I’m just going to keep riding this horse until it fucking dies but the very first thing he did was take everything Obama did during his presidency and throw it out the window, including the pandemic playbook.

That playbook would have given us step by step instructions and reactions to deal with any type of suddenly erupting national pandemic like Ebola or coronavirus.

And because of this, which was by all measures a racially motivated attack on Obama, more than 1 million Americans died in a badly managed pandemic.

Trump’s racism killed a million Americans.

It undoubtedly exacerbated the problem for the entire world and his total kill count is likely much more than that.

How can you let somebody who genocided millions of people through racism sit in the oval office?

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6 points

Se simply by popular vote because people are supporting that shit, knowingly or unknowingly

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48 points

It’s a cult. They have people denying COVID ever existed. Heartily rejecting vaccines.

There’s just too much to list but it only ever makes sense if you take whatever he’s doing as right and readjust everyone around him to work does it ever make sense.

The fact that this election is even close is absolutely insane to me.

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Well maybe if HARRIS killed Millions of Americans SHE could have WON this Election!

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15 points

I woke up every day worried that we’d nuked Spain overnight.

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It’s crazy that the vote is apparently close. Really goes to show how many “average” americans have utterly lost any connection to actual reality and have guzzled enough of the kool-aid to believe the weird whacky world of wonders the religious fascists constantly conjure up.

I wonder though, is this ultimately a failure not of the education and internal offices, decades ago? We let schools let people down, leading to them becoming undereducated terrible parents who let their kids down and made them vulnerable to be exploited by republicans and churches and crypto grifters. :(

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Racism and misogyny. That is all it is.

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Large part of the country was built on that foundation. Shocking how proud of it they are.

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And propaganda. LOTS of propaganda.

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That’s a really black and white way to look at it. These are complex issues. Any attempt to find a simple explanation to them is by definition going to be oversimplifying it massively.

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That’s not all, probably not even the main one. It’s a major cost of living crisis and impoverishment of average people while companies and the richest get richer. Neither the Ds nor the Rs want to do anything against it, they get their money from there.

The people kinda understand this. But they’re not intelligent enough to distinguish “actually changing the system” with “just saying they’re gonna change the system”, like Trump does. Trump is always talking about uprooting the deep state and bringing an “average person”(white middle/lower class) perspective to politics, and people just gobble it up and believe it because he’s kinda good at talking with conviction.

Of course the misogyny and racism is part of it and an extra, but it’s not the main reason at all. For some people it is, of course.

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Dont take polls so seriously. Even pollsters know that they have no idea how accurate they might be.

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Just as insane as it is today if you ask me

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Yes.

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3 points

“There’s a horse. In the hospital.”

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Honestly, I doubt it. Even if he loses, he’s still going to be spewing his mouth diarrhea nonstop and his cult will still believe the shit he says. Also, I’m thinking the Republican party will continue his shit. He created a new Republican party. They’ll keep pushing candidates who will act and do shit like him since he’s been very successful in fooling his base.

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Policy-wise it is the same Grand Old Party. The vibe and rhetoric is different, but the policy is mostly all there.

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Indeed, he didn’t create the party, he just says the quiet part out loud.

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I think if he loses theres a good chance that the people behind him will knock him off.

You know what works better than a hero? A martyr.

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I think if he wins he’s a dead man.

He’s great for getting elected, but terrible in power, so use him and lose him, blame it on the other side.

No reason to leave such a chaotic idiot in actual charge of anything.

Hope I’m wrong, he’s like Hitler, he always gets in his own way.

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