ROUND 21: 🇧🇷 Brazil


FORMULA 1 LENOVO GRANDE PRÊMIO DE SÃO PAULO 2024


Circuit stats


  • Circuit name: Autódromo José Carlos Pace
  • First Grand Prix: 1973
  • Number of laps: 71
  • Circuit Length: 4.309 km
  • Race Distance: 305.879 km
  • Lap record: 1:10.540 Valtteri Bottas (2018)
  • 2023 winner: Max Verstappen

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34 points

Absolute masterclass from Max. Was just leagues above everyone else.

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10 points

Reminded me a bit of Miami last year where Perez thought he could fight for the championship and then Verstappen just KO’d Perez and left him limping the rest of the season.

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5 points

Also greatly helped by the free pitstop.

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8 points

There was a bit of luck involved but given the pace he had, he probably would have won anyway.

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5 points

He also had to remain accident free while overtaking quite a few cars, in a race where there were crashes left right and centre. Sure he got lucky but he also made his own luck by driving an incident free race.

Say what you want about the guy, his attitude, or on track antics oft times, you cannot take today’s drive away from him. I’m not a fan of any of the former, but I concede, begrudgingly, today’s drive proved him to be one of the greats. The belligerent fastest laps at the end of it all were such a statement too. I can’t; I just can’t 😅

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4 points

True, but he made the most of the opportunity…

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5 points

Yeah flawless - well deserved

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1 point

Just mighty.

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26 points

I don’t get the Safety Car for “teams are on the wrong tires”. Some had already switched to full wets. Surely this should be up to the teams to screw up instead of relying on the organizers to save them staying out on inters.

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11 points

Even if everyone was on full wets, they bring it out for visibility and hydroplaning. I think that’s part of the reason no one switched to full wets. They knew if conditions got bad enough to need them, the SC would come out and there might be a red flag too.

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9 points

From memory, Tsunoda, Lawson, Hulk, Perez, Zhou, and I think there was 1 more. Their strategy was paying off with lap times 3s faster and that was just getting started. Sad to seen a great strategic choice like this turn to shit because teams know the race director will be overly cautious and protect teams from having to make risky strategy calls.

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4 points

At least four cars had switched to full wets at the time.

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7 points

How do you even fix that? At this point driving on the wrong tyre is an optimal strategy. Either:

  • Driver stays on inters and calls for red flag cause it’s undrivable
  • Driver on inters crashes because they should be on wets, causing a red flag
  • someone (like RB today) pits for wets and gets punished because someone else crashed out and caused a red flag

Also I’m not fooled by drivers moaning about how wets suck and have no grip; as long as inters are even 0.1 a lap faster than wets, everyone will want to run inters. I don’t think there’s place for two wet weather compounds since everyone will pick the ‘faster’ one regardles of weather.

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22 points

Still cannot figure out why Stroll thought it was a good idea to drive through the gravel getting beached after he crashed, he could have made a 180 and stay on the tarmac.

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27 points

Mate it’s lance stroll

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4 points

F1 cars have reverse, which would’ve gotten him on safe ground. I think he tried a 180 but there wasn’t enough tarmac to work with with the barriers being so close, so he beaches himself.

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15 points

Lando bitching about his luck so much when he had half the race to make progress. Instead he just went backwards.

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9 points
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He lost the lead again and went off a few times and the team topped it off with bad strategy calls (+Lando wanted to come in even earlier) has nothing to do with luck i think.

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7 points

+Lando wanted to come in even earlier

Exactly. He was asking to be pit even before the VSC and is now bitching that the team pit him

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1 point

I don’t get how you interpret the interview as him bitching about the team call? In the interview, he did acknowledge that he made a few mistakes, but aside from that he thought they did the best they could, and the red flag was the bad luck.

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0 points

Yeah and in post race interview he said Red Bull’s strategy “was not talent just luck”. Come on dude why so salty.

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It is though? I am in no way disregarding Max’s drive, he was brilliant today, but the interview question was specifically about the VSC and red flag, which is 100% luck. Red Bull and Alpine got a free tyre change while every other team lost time and positions for the pit stop.

Plenty of stuff the FIA should fix after this race. They should change the rules to not allow modifications to the car during a red flag in the future for a start.

Edit: You can hear what the interviewer asked here. I don’t think he’s commenting on Max’s drive, just pit strategy. He also did acknowledge the mistakes he made during the race, so there’s that.

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The VSC was luck. Pitting neither under the VSC nor under the safety car was a strategic call. Red bull and Alpine both made an educated guess based on the amount rain that there is a high possibility for a red flag. It was lucky but there was plenty of strategy involved. Also all three of them drove brilliantly to put themselves in a position to capitalise. Remember Colapinto binned it on fresh inters while max, ocon and gasly kept it on the track on won’t worn inters. Saying it was 100% luck is doing a disservice to all 3 of them and their teams

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1 point

Luck yes. Making most of a lucky break - talent

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1 point

I mean his team royally fucked him lol I’d be salty too

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12 points

I enjoyed this race but once again we have bizarre race direction and stewarding.

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