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Why no vote equals a vote for Trump instead of the contrary a vote for Harris?

You are assuming that all people not voting or voting other party would vote for Harris, but this is probably not true.

Many of those people would vote for Trump if forced. Thus it would be better for the Harris campaign that they stayed home or keep voting for the Tea Party or some other third right wing party without representation.

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In our democracy, we have a first-past-the-post system. This means only two parties, Democrats and Republicans, have any chance at winning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

The electoral college favors Republicans. Specifically it favors low population areas, which tend to vote Republican. High population centers tend to vote Democrat. Democrats need more votes to overcome this advantage.

https://www.cookpolitical.com/cook-pvi/2022-partisan-voter-index/republican-electoral-college-advantage

A majority of people agree with Democrats on issues. If everyone voted, Democrats would win in a landslide.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/07/politics/democratic-positions-majority/index.html

Not voting and third party votes detracts from votes that could have gone to Democrats.

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It basically boils down to the same thing as the complaint “software piracy is theft” when talking about sales (or votes) that likely wouldn’t have happened anyway.

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This “every third party vote is a vote for $republican_candidate” noise comes around every four years like clockwork. Third party votes are not just protest votes from wayward Democrats.

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Correct. These statements are always made from a position that the speaker assumes the votes Belong To Their Candidate. The fact remains that not voting for the orange hitler is still not a vote for orange hitler. Voting 3rd party is also not a vote for orange hitler.

No one may assume that another citizen’s vote belongs to any candidate. Their vote belongs to them alone, to vote or not as they choose.

Having stated the facts of how that works, now I recommend that we all vote for Harris and against orange hitler.

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only if you’re in a swing state. In which case vote tactically. If you’re not in a swing state do not vote trump and do not vote Harris. Instead vote third party there to maybe get a 5% national representation and therefore get more funding for em.

Voting tactics woo.

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Also if enough people in California, NY, etc. Vote third party they may deny Harris a popular vote win while still allowing her to win in EC. This would both send a message about ignoring the left and might make it so Republicans start supporting getting rid of the electoral college too.

If both of the parties had an election stolen from them in less then a decade due to this dumb antiquated system maybe they’ll muster some political will to get rid of it.

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A great point. Republicans will never vote to remove the EC unless it hurts them and theoretically this could.

Screw Republicans by voting literally whoever besides trump and Harris in Cali

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Even for tiny, tiny social media platforms like the fediverse, the current propaganda/misinformation campaign is tailor-made for the expected audience.
E.g., on Facebook it might be enough to post AI slop depicting Trump as a saint. Here, that won’t fly. You have to understand that a lot of lefties and educated people reside here, so you just have to point the undecided to a third party. Maybe you’re not even after the actual undecided, spreading FUD is usually good enough. And a healthy dose of “both sides”!

Of course, it’s vital to omit the fact that FPTP systems always devolve into two-party systems (a fact well understood), and you’re good to go. Easy rubles probably.

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Voting 3rd party for progressivism is the biggest self own in history. And repeatedly too.

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You can’t just vomit buzz words and call it an intelligent statement.

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If they didn’t have buzzwords they’d have nothing at all.

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