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Voter suppression

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54 points

If people actually voted, they might vote for people the oligarchy doesn’t like. Bet you didn’t think about that, huh? Checkmate libruls!

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9 points

No, I literally can’t even vote for someone the oligarchs don’t control. They don’t make it to the ballot.

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35 points

100% this

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What? Don’t you get like 16 hours to vote on polling day?

We have elections on Thursdays in the UK and no one claims not having the whole day off is “voter supression” because you’ve got plenty of time to vote and it only takes five minutes.

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and it only takes five minutes.

Not here it doesn’t. There are constant intentional efforts to shut down polling locations in communities with a disproportionate amount of minorities. The intent is to force minority voters to travel further to get to a polling place (which may not be an option due to our joke of a public transit network), and to force them to wait in line for hours at a time to vote.

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/17/924527679/why-do-nonwhite-georgia-voters-have-to-wait-in-line-for-hours-too-few-polling-pl

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/04/upshot/voting-wait-times.html

In some jurisdictions, they’ve gone so far with their voter suppression tactics that they make it a punishable offense to provide food and water for those waiting in the hours long lines to vote.

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/senior_lawyers/resources/experience/2024-january-february/is-line-warming-legal/

And that’s all before accounting for the fact that many people need to have two jobs to be stable, which makes it hard to get to the polls even if the lines are short.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/8-7-million-americans-now-193011733.html

The U.S. election system is a joke, and a sham democracy.

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The U.S. election system is a joke, and a sham democracy.

FTFY

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19 points

it only takes five minutes

Sure, if I park on the sidewalk and skip everyone waiting in line. It actually takes less than 5 minutes.

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13 points

Everything about your comment is wrong. No we don’t get guaranteed time off of any kind but even if we did, the amount of time it takes varies wildly.

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They are saying that you have all day to vote, not that you get 16 hours of time off.

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4 points

Voting on election day can take way more than five minutes, however, in most cases, you have weeks to vote.

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Because they don’t want the workers voting.

If you “can’t go to the ballot because you need to work” you are a plebeian, and so they have a way of excluding you while technically not excluding you.

A lot of modern oligarchy is powered by these technicalities. Technically everyone has a “right to” participate in the system, but the whole apparatus is rigged in such a way that in material reality only the same nobility caste that has called the shots since the bronze fucking age gets to call the shots.

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By law employers are required to allow their workers an opportunity to vote. The problem is other stuff like taking their kids to school and having to go to work right after and by the time you make it to the poll through rush hour traffic, the line is out the door and they shut it down and don’t let you vote even though you waited for an hour.

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27 points

My roommate asked for time off to vote; her employer literally laughed at her. Now, there is legal recourse there, and she would have likely won and even gotten awarded a money judgment.

But she needed that job without interruption. This was in Canada, by the way.

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This is why you don’t ask.

Also, you don’t really need a whole day. I’m also Canadian. Employers are required to allow you time to do it, not an entire day.

I would phrase the question like this: “I need to take time to go vote. Would you prefer I take the morning or afternoon off?”

If they so no to both, you say “you know it’s illegal not to allow me time off to vote, right?”

I’ve changed careers since the last election, but as a driver I’d just say “I’m going to swing by the polling place in my way to or back from wherever” and it was never a problem.

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13 points

So the bare minimum that even my little Eastern European hellhole could do was that a polling place closing means that those in line can still vote.

A poll worker gets in line exactly at closing time, and those in front get to vote however long that takes. It’s not hard to organize.

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Yeah, it’s exactly the same in the very opposite end of Europe (and about as poor) - Portugal - which I know becaused I maned the polling places a couple of times and read the rule book.

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The law also doesn’t require employers to pay for that time, so many can’t afford to take the time off even if their employer is chill about it.

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Oh no it’s never paid, but they have to allow them time to vote. Usually that means wake up at 6am to get to the polls by 7

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The thing is

“The law says it has to happen” doesn’t mean it happens.

And the weaker labour protections are in your country, the more bosses can walk all over their employees.

In the US, with their so-called “at-will” employment system, you can be fired at any time for any reason, and if you need the job to like, live, you won’t even bring up your legal rights.

Mind you even on countries where polling happens exclusively on Sunday (like mine!) there are other subtle ways The Poors tm are kept from enfranchisement. “Voting happens on a work day” is just one of the ways it happens in one of our world’s oligarchies.

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If you’re in food service, election day is likely an all hands on deck situation. Incredibly shitty. And here in the US a ton of people work weekends. I didn’t get a job that had weekends off until my mid 30s.

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3 points

I’m so glad my state has mail-in voting. Sorry buddy.

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20 points

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”

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25 points

Because easy and accessible voting is extremely bad for one party.

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80 points

Cuz America is a backwards ass country

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28 points

A shit hole country

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15 points

A third world country in a Prada belt.

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78 points

Wait, you guys are getting President’s Day off work??

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52 points

Yeah, making election day a national holiday doesn’t help those of us who don’t get most holidays off.

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28 points

Right. Congress would need to amend the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) to mandate that employers give national holidays off to employees for this to apply to everyone.

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Protesting for fair rest days has taken a back seat to letting women marry women and also ensuring women don’t fucking die around childbirth or complications getting there, which seem to be very pressing and fundamental issues we seem to have lost value in solving. Also, issues like black slavery and prisoner slavery and women’s slavery and rapists choosing their kids’ mom’s and something about the overwhelming prevalence of fucking boomsticks in every part of that and everything else, like schools.

It’s like there’s a million mind-numbingly simple things we should have solved trivially with an “of course I’m not a dick” vote that we seem to have stalled on or went backward about, and these are pushing the more nuanced class war issues onto the back back back burner pending their resolution.

Fuck this exhausting shit and the effort to just keep a country going where people are dying and blaming Biden for it. Secede from those richbitch fuckwits and their hillbilly fan base. When all their people are dying and dead, buy the land to settle the debt and then reunify better. We don’t tolerate intolerance, and maybe that means we can’t save this version of the matri-uh, union, and maybe we need to start working on the next.

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Maybe it needs to super-national?

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This was my thought as well. Too many years of retail has left me with an instinctual hatred for holidays. Like how Labor Day is a holiday for the rich to “celebrate” the working poor who have to work that day.

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7 points

Maybe OP works at an elementary school 40 years ago.

Though somehow there’s usually a mattress sale.

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10 points

Or a bank. Are banks ever actually open?

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6 points

Is there ever not a mattress sale? And they advertise like crazy.

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1 point

I’ve been getting it off for years. I know teachers do too, but I’m not a teacher.

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Yes. Quite stupidly

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