I can’t wait for blue conservatives to blame Bernie Sanders for whatever fuckup they do next.
Most of Lemmy thinks you should vote against Kamala on principle against genocide and if Trump gets elected and makes the genocide far worse than it would’ve been under Kamala that that is a preferred outcome and somehow they won’t have blood on their hands.
Everyone, including you, has a line, where you will say, “no more, I will not participate in this evil”. Maybe for you its having American kids in the US lined up on a wall and shot if they shoplift, or something. For some people its having the Dem candidate openly support mass murder. The fact that your line doesnt match others is natural and is no reason to denigrate those other people.
You’ll get to where we are soon enough.
Your actions will produce more harm than good if Trump gets elected. What a privileged life you must live to be able to make a stand on principle — even though that will produce a worse outcome for the people you supposedly care about. The additional blood that will be shed is very much on your hands.
You don’t get to just walk away from the situation absolved of guilt because of your so called principles.
- Is it me or Harris who made the choice to support a far right wing war that so many dems are having trouble with? Its Harris. She has people on staff that tell her the odds. She is choosing this.
- The focus of her ground game is courting republicans-- not progressives, and going to the right on issues to woo them. She’s moving the party right and in doing so she keeps losing ground in the polls. Every day is worse polling for her. But its my fault huh.
- You have no idea what my actions are.
Most of Lemmy is doing mental gymnastics just like this to convince themselves that voting for the person doing genocide makes them anti genocide.
I don’t believe they’re speaking in good faith. I think they just don’t give a shit about human lives when they’re brown and across the world.
a vote isn’t an endorsement. Pretending the US system is some kind of idealic democracy where you are presented a platter of issues to vote on and can do those independently is delusional. We live in a perpetual trolley problem. Not pulling the lever is far more evil here.
Politicians view it as an endorsement. When they get elected they say “the people have spoken” and act like they have a mandate. Bush pressed on with his Iraq war and privatizing social security after getting re elected despite those being unpopular and people voting for him in spite of those policies. Trump claimed the people supported him and hence wouldn’t release his tax records etc.
If Harris wins she won’t feel chastised on Gaza. She said she will continue Biden’s plan even though she was given space to say what she would do differently. Even saying something mild like “Knowing what I know now, I would not have said what Biden said about Palestinians lying about death counts,” and it would have mollified many people.
No thanks, genocide is my biggest concern and you dont get to decide it isnt
No shit. Enjoy Trump again, guess liberals have learned nothing from 2016. If you have no progressive policies or stand for none of them, you will not win
One in ten Bernie Bros voted for Trump in 2016. So maybe let’s not talk about people not learning their lessons.
What a privileged existence you must lead to be able to have a single issue define you.
And you have privilege to say your issues overrule actual human lives. What’s another 50,000 dead Palestinians to you?
Personally I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night voting for someone who had a hand in that mountain of dead children, but you seem fine to ignore atrocities committed in your name.
Don’t blame me, blame Harris for being unwilling to even say something on the issue without walking it back. Nobody is stopping her.
Look at history. The 2003 Iraq war and subsequent occupation resulted in at least 150.000 deaths, at the absolute lowest estimate. The biggest estimate is over a million.
Afghanistan? 176.000
Gulf War? 50.000
Yugoslav war? 130.000
Vietnam War? 970.000 to 3 million.
And those are conflicts that the US was directly involved in with boots on the ground. Few people lost sleep over any of those civilian casualties. Could you even point to Kosovo on a map?
What’s another 50.000 dead Palestinians you ask? A rounding error on a footnote of history. It’s a statistic. And that’s ignoring the fact that this is happening in another country with only indirect US support.
People SHOULD care about the Palestinians. But it’s just not relevant to the day to day lives of average Americans.
