If Kamala and trump both tie the electoral college, which it is looking like a possibility, a new president would be chosen by the new Congress on Jan 6th. Scary to think about
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So in other words, not only does our presidential vote not matter, it REALLY doesn’t matter
No, it matters. I like to think of it like the world’s dumbest video game. We try to power up electors with red or blue energy crystals, and then they get powered up as either red or blue and duke it out! With the exception of a couple places like Nebraska which can become purple. It’s bullshit and confusing but whatever. But sometimes if you power up a red or a blue one they randomly decide to switch sides, which is bullshit, but it’s all part of the game. And then we have scorekeepers to let us know which red and blue ones have been knocked out, but the scorekeepers sometimes don’t do that, which is a bunch of bullshit and is against the rules, but the scorekeepers sometimes bet on the match and try to throw it… But if there’s a mutual KO it falls onto refs, which we also powered up.
Oh, and then there’s the lawsuits. This game confusing af
Who needs a popular vote when we have this?
If literally everything is bullshit and the ones that make the rules just don’t follow them whenever they feel like it, then doesn’t that, by definition, make the vote have no meaning? If the people can vote one way and then a few rich cunts can simply bend their own rules and switch the color, then how does voting actually influence the outcome?
Maybe I’m missing something in my ignorance (probably), but I fail to see how using the rules of a game to control the simultaneous rulers and rule makers of said game can ever be anything other than a massive waste of time.
What happens if there is a projected tie, but then we have a faithless elector?
Imagine the shit show if Trump secured enough republicans to vote for him in a tie breaking scenario, and then they open the ballots and see one Trump vote go for Romney or something.
If only we had an actual count of the number of people who voted for each candidate…
A tie in the Electoral College is an extremely remote chance, less than 1%. Widespread interference in our electoral process as part of a broader scheme to put enough doubt in the vote totals to force the issue to SCOTUS or Congress is literally the plan being executed by Trump and the GOP right now. The best chance we have is overwhelming voter turnout to make those “close” states as decisive as possible.
1% is one in 100. How many US elections have there been with no tie in the electoral college so far?
Of all 59 presidential elections there hasn’t ever been a tie. There have been 3 contingent elections where no candidate got a majority of electors in the electoral college:1800, 1824, 1836. The last one being unique because Van Buren got enough electors in the general election but Virginias’ electors were faithless and wouldn’t vote for him leading to it get shoved to the house where they handedly voted him in.
I mean, it is a possibility. The current swing states (28 Oct) are AZ, GA, NV, NC, PA, WI, and MI, based on NYTimes polls. If Kamala only wins WI, NV, (NC or GA), and AZ, then both candidates end up with 268 electoral votes, and congress chooses the president.
Another option is kamala wins AZ, NC, and GA.
Doing some quick math, that’s a 2.4% chance of happening
PA, MI, and WI are all but guaranteed to go together. Any scenarios where they vote for different candidates are mostly just fantasy
Yeah that’s probably true. Just looking at the polls though, I realized this was a possibility.
Polls could also be wrong, which of course changes the statistics. But from what I’ve read, it seems like those states are each basically a coin flip, and the odds say a tie is not unlikely enough to ignore
I was just explaining this concept to someone about the 2016 polls: all the posters thought of PA,MI, and WI as independent. Each had a 50% chance of going to Trump and he needed all three to win. So they projected him winning at (1/2)^3=1 in 8 chance of winning. Then they found out that those three were correlated.
I would say if Trump wins WI he wins PA and MI; and if Harris wins PA she wins WI and MI; BUT, if Trump wins PA he is not guaranteed a win in WI nor Harris winning WI guarantees a PA win.
If Harris wins Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona and Nevada and a single electoral vote in Nebraska, all of which Joe Biden won in 2020, but she loses Pennsylvania and Georgia, there’s a tie, 269-269.
Unlike every other state, Maine and Nebraska award two electors to the statewide winner and one to the winner of each congressional district. Those individual, competitive electoral votes in Maine and Nebraska become hugely consequential in potential tie scenarios.
What are we doing right now.
It’s like if Rube Goldberg and Frank Costanza created an electoral system.
And after 32 rounds of voting for the speaker of the house, every member has to spin around in a circle with their fingers on their head, do a little dance, and then they can all gather around the aluminum pole and air their grievances for the year
