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Lift the inhumane sanctions/embargo on Cuba already.

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I might have supported that before their support of the Kremlin’s barbaric land grab in Ukraine.

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They need to trade with people for money and food. If their closest neighbor let them trade, I guarantee Cuba would be saying the opposite to stay on the good side of them. But since they can’t, and Russia was iced out of the world economy pretty much, of course they’d extend a hand to Cuba, which is similarly iced out. And of course they’d accept for the good of their people. Who knows if they actually care how that war goes, they’re just a tiny island nation that wants to be able to eat and survive. We can’t blame them for making decisions under this kind of duress.

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They can trade with other countries.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/07/15/fact-check-us-cuba-embargo-doesnt-apply-all-countries-companies/7954883002/

www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/19/facebook-posts/cuba-can-trade-other-countries-heres-some-context

When Cubans took to the streets to protest recently, it wasn’t against the US, it was against their own government.

As usual, the Kremlin is allying itself with shitty dictators.

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By the same logic the entire planet should’ve already sanctioned and embargoed Israel (for what it’s doing in Palestine) and the US for doing the exact same thing as Russia but in Iraq (starting an illegal war) but I don’t see that happening.

Cuba is saying these things because Russia is one of the few countries still willing to trade with them. They’ve been hit by crippling sanctions for decades for doing nothing wrong and they’re trying to find ways to survive. End the embargo and you’ll see that change quite quickly.

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Who du they think they are at war with?

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Capitalism

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Well then they lost that war a long time ago, as the long line of beach resorts across the Cuban coastline would show you.

Just because Americans can’t (easily) go to them, doesn’t mean privately-owned places like this don’t exist there:

Edit: Not one downvoter has explained how you can have privately and corporate-owned luxury resorts in a non-capitalist country. Can’t imagine why.

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Not one downvoter has explained how you can have privately and corporate-owned luxury resorts in a non-capitalist country. Can’t imagine why.

Oooh I love this false dichotomy because if every government that allows for any form of corporate owned private property to exist is capitalist then we can ascribe basically all evil to capitalism. Heck even the USSR was capitalist by your logic. Capitalists did the holodomor.

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Pretty easily, actually. Socialist states don’t exist in a vacuum, they need money for trade and resources like every one else. This reality is why all actual socialist ideologies are globalist in ambition btw. It doesn’t do your socialized industry any good if you have to buy your materials from a slave mine.

Ideology alone won’t buy Cuba medicine, or industrial tools. The fact is that the hemisphere they’re in is dominated by America and capitalism is something you either work around or starve under.

It’d be nice if Cuba could have afforded to build the resorts as worker co-ops or whatever but it’s an economic miracle that they exist as a nation at all with the eternal enmity of America trying to choke them to death for seventy years.

Only a delusional purist won’t acknowledge that it takes money and resources to build things, and all the foreign investors want a, you know, investment. Socialism is almost always considered a goal to transition to, and not an absolute requirement to be enacted day one.

Unless you want to live on an anarcho-primitavist farm somewhere anyways, and, honestly, they’re the ones most likely to survive this coming collapse so I guess they’ll either get the last laugh or die to the raiders like everyone else.

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Anyone else read this in Cherdenko’s voice lol?

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Well, they have been under US sanctions for a long time now. That’s what started the Pacific side of WWII.

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Mmm… sort of, but that telling of the situation also skips over a ton of context.

US sanctions against Imperial Japan were the proximate casus belli for the IJN attack Pearl Harbor and causing the US to actually join the war, but the sanctions were absolutely precipitated by other things Japan was doing in the years leading up to Pearl Harbor. The trade sanctions were enacted in more or less direct response to Imperial Japanese military adventurism and rather flagrant violations of the Washington Naval Treaty (though it is definitely fair to say that the force limitations imposed by the treaty were somewhat onerous and biased towards established powers, if considered in a geopolitical vacuum).

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The effects of the Communist revolution and the US response to it were so powerful that they went back in time by 20 years to start WW2?

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I’ve read this like five times and I have no idea what the heck you’re trying to get at.

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back in time by 20 years to start WW2

Boy here is posting from all the way back in 1959….

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Yes.

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Didn’t we already establish that nuking hurricanes won’t work?

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I took this picture in Havana. I quite liked Cuba and its people and culture.

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great pic! I would like to visit Cuba, but I haven’t figured out how to travel there comfortably without access to my American bank account.

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