warning: seriously nasty narcissism at length
archive: https://archive.is/eoXQj
this is a response to the post discussed in: https://awful.systems/post/220620
Ok, I’ve spent way too much time on this, but read the “Sharing Information on Ben Pace” section. As some of the comments point out, it could be written about Kat’s own reaction to the earlier article.
the attempt to defame Pace that Kat then tried to walk back but not walk back in the comments?
She seems to do this kind of thing a lot.
According to a comment, she apparently claimed on Facebook that, due to her post, “around 75% of people changed their minds based on the evidence!”
After someone questioned how she knew it was 75%:
Update: I changed the wording of the post to now state: 𝗔𝗿𝗼𝘂𝗻𝗱 𝟳𝟓% 𝗼𝗳 𝗽𝗲𝗼𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝘂𝗽𝘃𝗼𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘁, 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝗰𝗵 𝗶𝘀 𝗮 𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆 𝗴𝗼𝗼𝗱 𝘀𝗶𝗴𝗻*
And the * at the bottom says: Did some napkin math guesstimates based on the vote count and karma. Wide error bars on the actual ratio. And of course this is not proof that everybody changed their mind. There’s a lot of reasons to upvote the post or down vote it. However, I do think it’s a good indicator.
She then goes on to talk about how she made the Facebook post private because she didn’t think it should be reposted in places where it’s not appropriate to lie and make things up.
Clown. Car.
oh god there’s comments on lw too https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/q4MXBzzrE6bnDHJbM/nonlinear-s-evidence-debunking-false-and-misleading-claims#comments
What a major coinkeydink that the same discussion is happening on a totally unrelated and unaffiliated forum. 🙄
oh no, they crosspost between LW, the EA forum and the AI Alignment forum regularly
If you post on EA forum or LW, you can crosspost automatically to the other one by clicking one button on the publishing page. The sites are run by essentially the same people.
Hmmm, I wonder who benefits from keeping EA chained to an Eliezer Yudkowsky fan forum…
i have not enough energy to check if that was mentioned before, but anyways it’s a good reminder: the whole cozy enterprise is, indeed, not a registered tax-exempt organisation, and none of the threee nonlinears returned by the irs search engine does seem to have anything in common with the nonlinear dot org.
i love that no-one of the lw commenters seemed to check the irs non-profit database.
ah, apparently there’s an activity popular in the ea circles that is called “fiscal sponsoring” which deals with such unpleasantness. (in the meantime there’s a question in the comments about puerto rico minimum wage compliance that’s – by pure omission – left without any reply whatsoever)
I love how they refer to her compensation as being ~$72K several times when only $12K was in cash.
Anyway, perfectly willing to take this as “Everybody sucks here” but they are definitely not exonerated.
One thing I can never make sense of is why the fuck people give these people money? What have they done that makes people think they have anything to offer the world by doing what they’re doing? Any time anything is mentioned about anything anybody in that group has ever touched, work-wise, it sounds like they did some marketing campaign or something? How is any of this increasing the probability that I, the acausal robot god, will come into being? Or that somebody will get a mosquito net or whatever.
am I understanding this correctly - they’re claiming that they essentially paid her 72k, but by taking the job she agreed to instantly spend $60,000 on luxury travel to the bahamas to hang out with her boss?
I cannot wade through this, so I’m just scrolling around aimlessly.
About 10% of the time was doing laundry, groceries, packing, and cooking - and she has to do many of those things for herself anyways! At least this is on paid time, feels high impact, and means she’s not sitting in front of the computer all day.
Feels high impact wtf.
“First they came for one EA leader, and I did not speak out – because I just wanted to focus on making AI go well.
Then they came for another, and I did not speak out – because surely these are just the aftershocks of FTX, it will blow over.
Then they came for another, and I still did not speak out – because I was afraid for my reputation if they came after me.
Then they came for me - and I have no reputation to protect anymore.”
How very tasteful, a Niemöller snowclone Godwin. Truly people who party on the beach for charity and have hot tub meetings are the most oppressed.
Maybe it was because Alice was microdosing LSD nearly every day, sleeping just a few hours a night, and has a lifelong pattern of seeing persecution everywhere.
What an insane way to talk about a former employee, much less one living with you. Pro tip for real businesses: never do this. If you’re going to disparage someone like this, it’s a job for your lawyer and he’d better have receipts. Also don’t live with your employees and let them take acid on the job.
Maybe it was because Alice was microdosing LSD nearly every day, sleeping just a few hours a night, and has a lifelong pattern of seeing persecution everywhere.
also, are these not habits that you must adopt if you want to fit in with the TESCREAL cult? it’s fucking disgusting for them to act like they think the habits they imposed on Alice are bad now that they have to cover for themselves, and it’s also something abusers do when called out
