50 points

If it’s a traffic violation you have a good chance of the cop no showing to court.

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That doesn’t mean anything in a lot of countries.

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Is going to court over traffic violations common internationally? I thought that was a US thing

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I challenged a licence suspension in Australia when I was 19 years old. I gladly paid the $560 fine but I would’ve lost my licence for three months because I was driving 7km/h over the limit on a ‘double-demerits’ weekend. The magistrate sent me to a fortnightly driver’s course for 12 weeks, all the while I kept my licence, and after the course was over I fronted court again and successfully argued my three month suspension down to four weeks.

I’m pretty sure that going to court over traffic violations is a thing in any country that allows going to court over traffic violations.

FYI in most Australian jurisdictions, you can’t demand that the individual police officer who fined you attend court to defend themselves. That part is most likely a US thing.

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French guy here: I went to court once because the cop lied and needed tickets for his quota. I had all the proofs. The judge basically told me “I don’t give a fuck, you pay.” It’s useless.

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It’s not as much of a thing but people do object fines, most commonly mail-in fines when the owner wasn’t driving.

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Is going to court over traffic violations common internationally? I thought that was a US thing

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14 points

And if it’s below $1000, people often represent themselves because everyone knows lawyers are too expensive to justify it.

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Yup, and most tickets in my area are like $100-150, assuming it’s just speeding and not insanely fast (i.e. <20mph over, most cops will cut it to 10 over on a first violation).

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7 points

Not around here. Cops live for traffic court. They sit around all day doing very little.

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1 point

not anymore

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46 points

At least in the US, you should always get a lawyer for traffic tickets. The real cost isn’t whatever the court charges you, it’s whatever your insurance does.

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My understanding is usually you can go before the judge and explain that the higher insurance rates will be a burden for you. Usually you don’t necessarily need a lawyer to go and ask for that. The judge will often add some stipulations like double the fine you pay now, and you can’t get another ticket for a certain amount of time.

When I lived in Illinois they had formalized the process and called it “court supervision” which is an option you can check on the ticket, but you do have to appear in court. Can’t get another speeding ticket for a year, and they won’t report it to insurance.

When I got a second speeding ticket though after 11 months, I did hire a lawyer. He requested continuance for me, so that by the time they heard the case, it had been 12 months, and I could do a second court supervision. Since then I decided to try to avoid getting more tickets.

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Yup, I did that as a kid with my first speeding ticket, and got it placed on deferral. I didn’t even need to talk to the judge, I just went to pay the fine and they offered that as an option. Basically, as long as I didn’t get another ticket for 7 years, it would be as if it never happened. My ticket went from $100 -> $150, but my insurance would’ve gone up way more than that.

So, I drove extra careful until I moved out, and I got my second ticket around 7-8 years later, but in a different state (traveling near Las Vegas w/ flow of traffic…). I currently have a clean driving record, and I didn’t get a ding on my insurance until those dings meant a lot less (mid to late 20s).

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Every time I talk to people about going to court for a speeding ticket, everyone shares the same story:

The judge is very fair. Sometimes, they shave the fee significantly. Sometimes they cancel it.

I don’t fully understand judges and what they get assigned. But it feels like getting the cool substitute teacher when to go to contest a speeding ticket.

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21 points

id rather pay a lawyer than reward the state for puking in my ass

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