cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/45204357
Yesterday, I created my account on Lemmy.ml because I want to become mod on !stardewvalley@lemmy.ml. And I posted this comic on !stardewvalley@lemmy.ml It’s SDV game cutscene where Shane a NPC go watch Sports game with you kiss you accidentily but It was part of that event also player kiss Shane(NPC) back. Here’s video for more context. And someone claimed it have SA(Sexual Assualt) From Hexbear Ofcourse. So, I should delete it. I said it was a part of game cutscene. And If main player doesn’t love the Shane(NPC) then they don’t need to complete this event. And Just as a sarcasm I added Yeah we shoule delete this entire community because this game is Woke like Woke Detector Steam Group said. That user think I am some anti-woke dickhead something like that IDK. And tell me to Kill My Self. What I do now? I wanted on become mod on .ml because community was already well established. I message dessaline but I am sure he will not unbanned me. :(
Did I really did something wrong? I don’t know If I really did something wrong.
Link for that comic if embed doesn’t work.
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Having looked at your other post about it and the original thread, nah they were pretty in the right to take it down. What was depicted in that comic is exactly the sort of thing I’d imagine when thinking of toxic masculinity, it makes me extremely uncomfortable to think about anything like that happening in real life as it very clearly depicts a form of sexual assault. I really don’t like the idea that this is something people think should be normalised, sexual assault is more than just r*pe. It doesn’t really matter if it’s from a game, it’s an entirely valid point and that’s as far as the discussion should go.
That said, the “makes me want to shoot you” comment wasn’t called for and they should apologise for it, even if they were trying to make some other point.
Kissing the person you’re dating is toxic masculinity now? Jesus fucking Christ. Please explain what toxic male stereotype was depicted here to make it make sense. And did they both rape each other too, since they were drinking a can of beer and thus were not able to consent? Or does that also only work for men? And yes, it completely matters if it is from a game, or any other fan fiction’s source. It’s a comic of a scene from its original source material. Context matters but people like you just want to be asocial. Just because you’re not aware of the context, does not mean it doesn’t exist.
Look man, I’m just giving my opinion of how it looked to me, it’s fine if you disagree. But you don’t need to be a dick about it.
I don’t know why you’d say I want to be asocial, I read the comic and it made me pretty uncomfortable, within the context of the game sure fair point, it’s fine. But not everyone is going to see it that why, so I disagreed, I’m not whatever monster you’ve decided I am.
Please explain what toxic male stereotype was depicted here to make it make sense.
When that scene happens, the player’s avatar and Shane are already dating. He is not kissing some random person, but someone who already showed romantic interest towards him.
And while the sprites are ambiguous, the kiss is clearly on the cheek, until the player avatar returns the gesture and makes it a French kiss. Give this a check, around 13:08.
All this context is widely understood by players, because they looove to talk about those heart scenes. And the comic is read within this context.
So while I agree that sexual assault is not just rape, this is simply not sexual assault by any account. There’s no violation of consent and, funnily enough, the sexualisation comes from the players’ avatar (a woman in this case, but it could be also a man - the scene plays identically in both cases), by turning it into a French kiss.
I agree with you that it can be SA but it’s a cutscene of game where both NPC and Player already love each other so yeah.
Yep, I know that’s why I added context later when that user claimed that. Even provied game cutscene video. Now tell if I am wrong or not. If I added context is it still considered SA? Sorry, If I am wrong.
It was posted to a community focused on the game, which has been out for many years. The event is well-known for those who have played the game a bunch, so the context is kind of already assumed by the intended audience. It’s not as if OP posted it to a random comics community without any explanation, it was presented to a group of people who are already familiar with the story.
Demonizing non-toxic masculinity and happy honest sexuality, by pretending that this comic depicts toxic masculinity or actual sexual assault, does favors to no one.
I can understand that a certain type of person could look at this and see a justification for assaultive behavior. Erasing the concept that something like this could ever be a wholesome thing, making the good side out to be something that is also the bad side and has to be shunned or equated to actual SA, makes that problem worse, not better.
.ml is a crap instance. The amount of highly upvoted communist propaganda as memes is staggering.
The reason why .ml is a crappy instance has nothing to do with communist propaganda. It’s lack of transparency and shitty moderation practices.
The OP is a great example of what I’m talking about: admin in charge moderating content of a comm about a topic that they’re clueless about, not arsing themself to check it, assuming the worst, telling OP to kill themself*, filling an opaque ban under “rule 1”. That’s all poor moderation practices, the later is lack of transparency, and the post has zero to do with communism, economy, or politics.
This shite is a dime a dozen in .ml. And while it does affect political topics, it’s considerably wider than that.
*whoever is in charge sets up the behaviour standard for the others.
I mean… por que no los dos?! :-P
Like, if you are going to start literally executing landlords, then that’s one thing, but otherwise it’s just a pure fantasy, imho, divorced from the harsher realities of existence. i.e. it’s childish, as you’ve noted elsewhere, which is fine except how it is exported to the entire Fediverse without really a way to fucking turn it off.
Though I’ve found two: lemmy.cafe and dubvee.org both have fully defederated from lemmy.ml. Mbin, PieFed, and Sublinks all each have their own approaches as well.
For me the communist propaganda there is OK because the goal of the instance is clearly to create a comfy environment for the devs, and they’re interested on that content. Unlike, for example, on seeing people bringing the same old arguments against communists, over and over - this gets old really fast.
If this was openly said, in the rules, there would be no problem. People who aren’t OK with this would stay away from .ml; and the ones who still insisted would be clearly in the wrong, even for non-communists to see.
Except that in no moment they say it in the rules or the content policy. If you read both you’re misled to believe that the instance is TL;DR “we focus on privacy and FOSS; everything goes except bigotry, rudeness, porn, or spam”.
So for me, the issue is not the communist propaganda. It has a reason to be there. The issue is that the instance is clearly geared towards one target audience and content, but claims to be made for a wider demographic.
.ml is bullshit, one mod owns most of it with alts, and if you aren’t a bigot or fascist you get banned.
leave that toilet behind.
One of the reason why our instance defederated from Hexbear. They’re not there to discuss in good faith, they’re there to incite and provoke, then they start crying if you reply back to their nonsense.
They’re not worth interacting with.
To be fair I’ve had good discussions with a few of them, so I can’t generalise.
But… yeah, some of them don’t quite realise that the childish behaviour that would be OK in HB is despised elsewhere, and that it’s the the major reason why their instance gets defederated so bloody often - it is not red scare, it’s “get the children back to the kindergarten so the adults can talk”.
Hexbear has been far more level-headed than Lemmy.world in my experience, it’s definitely red scare. Lemmy.world admins admitted as much on their end.
Hexbear has been far more level-headed than Lemmy.world in my experience
This whole thread proves that this is false.
And, granted, I’m partially at fault here - since I was kind of expecting them to behave like 11yo kids once the teacher is gone, and having some fun at their expense - but note how they’re in an otherwise serious discussion and doing nothing but shitposting.
Every time I interacted there, I got pile-dived. They’re not level-headed at all most of the time. If one goes against the accepted positions, especially in things like “left unity” or North Korea, it’s all baiting and insults until most people are eventually banned as “liberals” at best for reacting to it.
Sure there’s a few mature people in it, but there’s way too many tankies who take being in hexbear as an excuse to be massive assholes as often as possible.
I think l.w. is also not perfect either as it’s pretty aggressively centrist, but at least it doesn’t feel like a kindergarden most of the time.
Report to the local gulag for ideological reeducation. Or go to another instance.