Because I hate Electron

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Docker, Distrobox, Toybox, systemd-nspawn, chroot.

Technically those all rely on the same kernel namespace features, just different ways to use it.

That’s also what Flatpaks and Snaps do. If you only care about package bloat, an AppImage would do too but it’s not a sandbox like Flatpak.

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Don’t use docker with distrobox. Use podman instead as it is rootless and faster

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Docker for servers and Rodman for home pcs

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Podman goes well with Kubernetes. It also is more performant than docker.

I use both

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IIRC that’s the whole point of flatpak, snap and appimage

Docker can probably do it too, distrobox puts a useful wrapper on that

Nix does that kind of, nix packages aren’t isolated in that they can’t access resources on your system but all dependencies are stored in the nix store, hashed and isolated from eachother, and wiped when you collect garbage

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Appimage doesn’t do deduplication of packages does it?

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No, I apparently missed that but

Nix is the best solution anyway imo

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Snap turns your system into a slug at boot time, makes it take forever to shut down as it unmounts fifty memory file systems, scatters files all over the place turning a neat organized system into a pile of shit. I primary run Ubuntu, but I excise snap from it as one of the first orders of business.

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At that point, why still bother with Ubuntu?

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@naeap As long as it remains the easiest distro for me to get from initial setup to mangled the way I want it to work I’ll stick with Ubuntu. It still tends to be more up to date than most other releases save Fedora but I do not care for the Redhat approach at all, they are rather like Windows in trying to force you to do it there way, “thou shall use LDAP and not NIS” for example. I don’t like distros that think I should change my whole organization to suit their needs. Yea at some point I probably will switch to LDAP but will do it on my own terms in my own time not dictated by a distribution vendor. It is rather trivial for me to excise snap from Ubuntu, a lot more work to hack NIS into a system that doesn’t natively support it.

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Luckily I use Arch (btw) so every Linux apps under the sun already available on the AUR, so I have 0 reason to use Snap/Flatpak

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Isn’t firefox strickly snapped in latest ubuntus?

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@0x0 No, Mozilla maintains their own repository. You can delete snap firefox and snap everything else, add the mozilla repository, and install firefox from there. You’ll get a more current version as a side benefit. Instructions found here: askubuntu.com/questions/150203…

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Yes

That’s called containerization

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Go with one of the ready to use systems. Flatpak, Snap, AppImage. Snap is largely Ubuntu Ecosystem, Flatpak is independent. AppImage is an option if you do not need/want a Sandbox.

Stay away from Docker and LXC for this use case (graphical applications), they are much more work to get going.

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Yes, Docker apps are more appropriate for servers and most apps are “made” to run 24/7 to serv the home or workplace.

They are very much worth the “work to setup” as they can be transfered/replicated to any system.

Flatpak and the alike are for running apps on a desktop/laptop.

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Agreed. My answer was in the assumption that it’s about desktop apps as the OP mentioned Electron.

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You can just use podman+distrobox

Simple and rootless

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