Now, where are all those users who said Jill Stein wasn’t a Russian asset?
I just posted the OP story there. I commented there once calling her a Russian puppet, and linked a story about it, which they called biased, despite everything was documented including pictures of lunch with Putin, and of course it was removed.
Their campaigns are undeniably good for Trump, but I don’t think that makes them Trump allies. Besides Jill Stein attending the same dinner as Putin, and accusing the west of encircling Russia, mind elaborating your view of her being a Russian asset?
Edit: Hey all you down voters, how do you expect to get your point across when actually curious people ask simple goddamn questions about your position and you act like they just slapped your mom
Oh boy just looking at that picture, and then think how Mueller let that piece of shit traitor Flynn walk. That investigation was drawn out, and in the end he had done almost nothing of substance, and Mueller followed every single “direction” from the white house.
Try to compare that to how Bill Clinton was investigated and hung out for something of little relevance, not illegal, and besides the mandated investigation!
Republicans are so fucking corrupt! Including Mueller.
If you were trying to actually build a green party from the ground up in American politics, would you platform local candidates, build your bench, develop campaign offices nationwide, and actually try guiding policy - or would you drop your hat every four years so that disillusioned voters can protest vote for you?
What does Stein do?
What does Jill Stein do?
I’m not sure, that’s why I was asking the individual to elaborate. Thanks.
Trump ally or not, West’s campaign is being aided by the GOP in North Carolina and Arizona and probably other states as well. So whether or not he is Trump ally, he is at minimum an ally of the GOP.
In answer to your edit, those down voters probably assumed you were sealioning. Your post history suggests to me that that’s not likely though. Maybe they just vehemently disagreed with your assertion that they are not Russian assets. Anyway, here is some reading about West and Stein that you might find enlightening. I’ve included snippets but if you really want to learn, I suggest that you follow the links and read the whole thing. Personally, I’m convinced that they are working for Putin and anyone working for Putin is allied with Trump.
But as he campaigns for president, West is moving beyond the DSA and forging bonds with far-left activists who call for the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism, who support the Chinese and North Korean regimes, and who are associated with communist organizations and Russian state propaganda operations.
- Stein is pals with Vladimir Putin and his team: She joined MAGA extremist Michael Flynn as the only Americans to sit with Putin at a dinner in Moscow in 2015.
- At an event in New York that same year, she met with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. – NBC News; Jill Stein
- The Russians helped Stein in 2016: “Russians working under the direction of the Internet Research Agency, the firm run by a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, tweeted the phrase ‘Jill Stein’ over 1,000 times around the time of the election. The posts were often accompanied by variations of the same hashtag, ‘Grow a spine and vote Jill Stein…’ – NBC News (December 22, 2018)
- And Stein touted their propaganda in return: In 2015, Stein “recorded a video from Moscow’s famous Red Square, in which she talked about ‘the need to rein in American exceptionalism’ and replace ‘a U.S. policy based on domination’—words that sounded like they were ripped from Putin’s talking points.” – POLITICO (June 20, 2017). During the campaign of 2016, Stein “parroted the Russian position on Ukraine and criticized the U.S. for installing a government in Kiev ‘hostile to Russia.’” – NBC News (December 22, 2018)
- She still sounds like a Russian propogandist on Putin’s invasion of Ukraine: “Russia’s invasion was a provoked response to the bigger, more murderous and illegal game plan of US empire - in which ‘overextending’ and defeating Russia is only one small part of the picture… In 2014 the US backed a coup in Ukraine led by far-right insurrectionists. The installation of the new government was a giant step towards the goal of adding Ukraine to NATO - and putting hostile bases and nuclear-capable missiles right on Russia’s border.” – Jill Stein (February 24, 2022)
I’ll give you stein but just because west shared a stage with a couple tankies doesn’t make him a Russian asset. Yeah he wants an end to the war but that seems motivated by a legitimate fervent anti-imperialist isolationism rather than a sympathy for Putin.
Besides Jill Stein attending the same dinner as Putin, and accusing the west of encircling Russia, mind elaborating your view of her being a Russian asset?
“All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?”
I pointed out the two things a knew about Jill Stein and asked for elaboration, and you’re making it out as if I knew several things about her and am just trying to incite a thrashing response.
I’m just trying to engage in regular conversation, there’s no need for you to try to make me feel stupid – I’m already coming from a place of ignorance. But hey, if it makes you feel better about yourself and your knowledgeable position, patronize away.
Old article about West being funded by Harlan Crowe. Whatever he believes, he thinks it’s worth doing something the worst people in our society want in an election that’s between a conservative Democrat and a fascist. He knows he’s not going to advance left wing causes, he could go on Sunday shows for that, and he doesn’t mind advancing fascist causes in exchange for their money. He may just be delusional rather than a deeply indebted sell-out, but if it were the latter his actions wouldn’t look any different.
I am not necessarily a fan of west. But my guess is that he’s a victim of his pride and unwittingly / uncritically supporting the worst element around unintentionally.
But they’re absolutely is a third option. Compromat.
I learned today that Cornel West thinks the world would be safer without NATO. I won’t say that’s the only geopolitical opinion he felt strongly enough about to issue a press release about, but I had to go six months back to find another one, which makes a total of two that I’m aware of.
“Let’s not support Israel while they kill Palestinians,” of course, is honestly a pretty sensible and congruous number one… “why NATO is bad” and Ukraine, on the other hand, is a very surprising and unusual one to be number 2.
Opposition to NATO is a pretty milquetoast opinion on the socialist left due to its’ part in the continued exploitation and neo-imperialism of the global south. I’m also opposed to NATO, but I don’t think it should be dismantled. Rather it should be turned into an international climate change relief agency.
I’m just saying most left people I know who want to reign in the excesses of US hegemony care about US military adventures in the Middle East, or interventions in Central America, or immigration policy, or neoliberal trade restrictions against weaker economic powers… it’s highly unusual for the second thing on the list to be this particular European military alliance that is highly consensual and pretty productive for everyone who’s a part of it, and which is targeted almost entirely (now that it’s not the late 1990s anymore) at one particular big geopolitical power that they don’t have any particular love for any more than they do for the US. If we were talking about reigning them in back when they were bombing the fuck out of the former Yugoslavia, then yeah I wouldn’t bat an eye at it, but… I’m not saying it’s impossible that someone from the left managed to authentically arrive at the conclusion that out of all the possible awful things the US does on the world stage, NATO’s the urgent problem that needs to be torn down. But I think in comparison to the other obvious explanation, it seems a little implausible, quite honestly.
Only on the accelerationist left. No one is saying NATO is great. That’s not an argument that can be made. But it’s insane to genuinely believe the world would be better or much different in its absence.
NATO for all it’s sins is a tool. That could be just as easily leveraged for good. That is if we stop self sabotaging. Instead showing some solidarity and working towards coalitions that could actually stand and represent the Common Man against the wealthy.
NATO will never exist in that manner until a majority of member nations and the US are socialist. Even though I disagree with it, I understand the desire to want it just dismantled instead because getting to that point is tantamount to moving mountains. It’s not just an accelerationist position.
Both West and Stein support Putin’s genocide in Ukraine by being against Ukraine defending itself. Trump also has that reason to like them.
Biden is spoiling the Biden campaign. He’s simply not more appealing than the other candidates.
Because voting Dem has turned out so well for everyone hasn’t it.
how has your life been changed due to Biden during all years as a politician? he picked a prosecutor for a vice and has a pro police stance, he’s catholic and now women have no rights, workers rallied and he silenced them with threats to their livelihoods and the minimum wage is still $7.25 with a higher inflation than when he took office
his whole career as politician has been against us the citizens
why does he deserve votes now?
Because however principled you are about the shittiness of the two-party system - and it is indeed shitty, but it’s the one we’re stuck in - we have a practical choice of only one of two people, and he’s not the other one.
Where do you get your news, champ?
House price inflation has slowed since biden came into office. The NLRB is much improved. The FCC is trying to bring back net neutrality. Theres been half a dozen uses of antitrust laws to keep corporations from consolidating so they can fire workers and jack up prices for consumers. Marijuana is being reduced in schedule such that it can be used medically.
I would say that Biden has - to any working person who is even half paying attention - been one of the best presidents for average people in the last 50 years. Its a low bar but credit where its due.
