I’ve noticed many people promote VPNs for torrenting to evade legal troubles in some places. But I wonder how do VPN companies get away with legal complaints? Especially if their servers are located in Germany or Japan, where piracy is heavily penalized.

p.s. I have never used a VPN for piracy, and I have never received any DMCA emails.

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Who do you send the complaint to?

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You can’t comply with a request for something you’re not logging.

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You can be ordered to log however.

Zero-knowledge protocols are important.

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I have never heard of a government forcing a company to implement logging. Which one did?

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Why do you think you’d hear about it?

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Appeal to ignorance

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If you are just torrenting and using it for downloading some stuff and nothing more, use the cheapest as NordVPN or Cyber ghost these are good for this, BUT NOT FROM A PRIVACY POINT OF VIEW

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Just use mullvad. Pay for it with Monero if you’re super paranoid.

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Mullvad semi recently closed it’s port forwarding service. Afaik AirVpn is (one of) the only ones remaining that allows you to expose ports through there service

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I’m completely okay with that but you can find cheaper alternatives if you just want to do torrenting stuff, do not need this extra level of privacy

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For sure NordVPN too, but in the ONLY case of torrenting it’s a good idea to have the cheapest thing to hide his ip

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thanks for sharing

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PIA is the best for torrents. It is $79 for 39 months which is $2.03/mo and they have port forwarding. That’s less than half of pretty much every other provider.

I have had 3 clients (one for a specific tracker, one for everything else, and an extra seedbox) going 24/7 for years with no problems. No complaints about the speeds either. I frequently saturate full gigabit on both downloads and uploads.

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I have 4 seed boxes I run on pia. My only issue is that the port changes from time to time. I have to check on them every week or so. It’s also one of the only court tested Vpns, though it did change hands after that

Edit: Turns out the pia client has a bash accessible command to get the active port. And Qbittorrent has a curl-able target to set the value. One bash script and a crontab… and now I don’t ever have to deal with the port changes anymore. You’re welcome leechers!

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This seems to be great as it should works

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FWIW, at least Nord and Express explicitly put on their terms and conditions that you’re not allowed to use their services illegally, Nord mentions a few usages including unblocking content that should not be available in your region.

They also give influencers like YouTubers and Twitch streamers scripts telling them to show how you can unblock content, but apparently the T&C weighs far heavier in court.

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Great comment. Here is an excerpt from Nord VPN’s TOS

8.2 You agree that you shall not yourself and/or enable others to: •use, assist, encourage, or enable others to use the Services/Websites for any unlawful, illicit, illegal, criminal, or fraudulent activities, including … digital piracy … which might negatively affect provision of our Services to other users;

A Snippet from Express VPN"s TOS:

In using our Services, you agree not to: … Send, post, or transmit over the Services any content that is illegal, hateful, threatening, insulting, deceptive, or defamatory; infringes ExpressVPN or third parties’ intellectual property rights; invades privacy; or incites violence or any unlawful behavior.

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I feel like that’s a lot of boiler plate stuff. It reminds me of Tom Scott’s video on VPN sponsorships not admitting they can be used as tools for piracy

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you could live in a 3rd world country that doesn’t care if individuals pirate. eg New Zealand

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If NZ is a 3rd world country then my country probably categorized in 10th world country

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I actually live in the US. And New Zealand is not a third world country.

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And New Zealand is not a third world country

No, but the US is.

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We don’t know if you may be too stupid to have good reading comprehension, but here you go.

Show us where in there it says any North American country? We’ll wait.

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