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What is an example of something that is not self-regulated that was worked out well?

Is the pharmaceutical industry self-regulated?

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To all the people out there that hate questions so much and downvote people who ask them: What happened to you that made you so angry about people wanting to acquire information?

To all the informative people who answer questions, thank you!

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Because we know from long experience that these questions aren’t made in good faith.

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No, you don’t know that. You just assume you know that. You’ve been so brainwashed that you think anyone who doesn’t already know everything you know and have every opinion you have is evil and out to get you. It is OK to learn, it is OK to change your mind, and it is OK to ask questions. The most important thing is not always hearing that you are right.

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No.

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The legal profession is self-regulated.

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Seat belt regulations saved a lot of lives despite massive objections and many attempts from both drivers and manufacturers to work around the regulation. https://www.history.com/news/seat-belt-laws-resistance

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What is an example of something that is not self-regulated that was worked out well?

EU food industry works pretty well. Incidences of food-borne disease, contaminated food, etc are very rare, and you can generally trust the label says exactly what’s in the food with confidence.

The regulations themselves are very complex, change depending on new evidence, and include all sorts of rule changes for events that impact the food industry.

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Don’t forget basically all science, most of the actual groundbreaking work is done using public funds; private interests only step and once the underlying theory is already proven.

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Proven profitable and exploitable

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FUSION ENERGY RESEARCH!

I’M SO FUCKING MAD! We’re giving corporations the rights to our research to make PRIVATE power companies so they can charge us whatever the fuck they want…

WE FUNDED THE RESEARCH, MAKE THE FACILITIES GOVERNMENT RUN!

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Effectively yes. The Sackler family proved that. Regulators let them kill thousands of people. It took the criminal justice system tracking the pills back to have consequences and accountability.

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That’s cute, now do governments.

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Lol bro thinks acts of war are the same thing passing laws.

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Environmental destruction because of greed: inexcusable.

Environmental destruction because you don’t like those bastards over there: totally acceptable.

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Nobody said that. You can’t just make shit up and act like it’s what the person you’re arguing with is thinking.

Also people talk about this shit like we bombed today’s Japan. Japan was a horrendous empire. They were doing the same shit the Nazis were doing but in asia. Do you condem the Dresden Fire bombing this fervently? Or do you just defend the stuff that’s buzz worthy?

Not nuking Japan would have allowed the USSR to invade Japan before they surrendered. Meaning another East/West Berlin/German situation. Can you honestly say that would have had a lower death toll?

Stop hopping on this contextless internet hills for dying on and learn your history.

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Since leftists tend to also condemn those things, as well, what the hell are you on about?

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Truly, the most libertarian.

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Let’s start with the Taft-Hartley Act, then move on to private property privileges, and then pause to assess.

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You cant stop a national government from making weapons and conducting war. A national government, however, should regulate corporations in its territory or sphere of influence to prevent attrocities and tragedies the corporations would conduct. You do not yet live in an idealic valley of plenty where there are corporations but not a government, so you must lend your voice; do you want one Tyranny Machine to run or should there be two Tyranny Machines and the second one has no oversight or regulation from the appropriate parties. Remember that when the government turns on its Tyranny Machine at least competing governments can oppose it. If you are not careful the Free Market Beast will allow many Tyranny Machines to run simultaneously.

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At least you’re smart enough to realize you’re putting a tyranny machine in charge of regulating tyranny machines…

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The problem with using the Love Canal was that it was the local government that really fucked up.

For the time, Hooker Chemical Company disposed of the chemical waste in a somewhat responsible way; a clay lined canal that they later topped with clay to prevent water infiltration. If the town wasn’t dead set in developing the land, we likely would have never heard of Love Canal.

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Yeah that’s immediately what I thought whem reading it. The company did the right thing, it’s the government who wouldn’t listen to reason.

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The company did the dumping and then sold it off for $1 for a school to be built upon it. They were held liable. They also created other environmental disasters elsewhere. White Lake Michigan, for instance.

Hooker Chemical Company gave no fucks, and should not be given tacit approval or any credit.

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They were forced to sell under threat of eminent domain. That’s why they tried to sell it for $1 along with a list of conditions on what it could be used for to highlight the danger. The Government then rejected this offer. Rather than trying to blame some random company just because you think all companies are evil, maybe go and read the history instead.

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Hooker Chemical sold for $1 and a list of conditions because the local government was threatening eminent domain after the company gave several warnings.

And I’m not going to defend Hooker in other locations.

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And the US “Supreme” Court: looks great, let’s do more of that!

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… we regulate ourselves too and nothing has gone wrong with that!

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some people died but i got rich. sue me.

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Some of you may die, but that’s a risk I’m willing to take!

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Sues you and wins but it only costs the company 5% of their normal monthly profits

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And then the company never pays and you have to sue again but you are now too broke and tired.

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Alex Jones has entered the chat

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