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I love that Lemmy thinks neoliberalism is “socialism”

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I love that keyboard slacktivists think anything they don’t personally agree with is “neoliberalism.”

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Really recommend the book “The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal Order: America and the World in the Free Market Era” by Gary Gerstle if you want to know more about what neoliberalism is and what the goals are/were and why it’s actively destroying the country.

Eta: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/05/06/how-neoliberal-order-triumphed-why-its-now-crumbling/

The neoliberal order was no exception. Despite being a project incubated in Republican circles and launched under Ronald Reagan, its full-scale consolidation occurred under the Democratic presidency of Bill Clinton in the 1990s.

Imo the neoliberal order was a response to the Civil Rights Era, a WORLDWIDE movement that gave ordinary citizens more rights and power than any other time in history. To disempower them, capitalism was weaponized to create neoliberal policies to make poor people stay poor, without capital, and thus powerless.

But it was not until Reagan that neoliberalism actively shaped the policy agenda of the federal government. Deregulation became the mantra of the decade, its most visible manifestation being the assault on collective bargaining and the further weakening of already struggling unions. Progressive taxation was contested ideologically and dismantled politically: When Reagan was elected, the income tax system was structured in 15 different brackets, with the highest reaching 70 percent; after his presidency, the country was left with just two brackets, 15 and 28 percent.

“Neoliberals,” Gerstle writes, “had long argued for the need to ringfence free markets, limiting participation to those who could handle its rigors.” Now they also embraced a religiously imbued neo-Victorian moral code, setting themselves in opposition to the permissiveness and moral relativism of the 1960s and 1970s. The race-biased mass incarceration of an “underclass” — regarded as unfit to handle those rigors — seemed to offer the ultimate solution. Liberation and repression, freedom and order, were not incompatible; in the neoliberal equation they were strictly interdependent.

So sure, I personally dislike neoliberalism, but I have a good understanding of what it is as well, so you’re criticism is invalid.

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You are making a lot of assumptions about my knowledge (or lack thereof) on the subject as well as a sizeable one about your depth of knowledge on it.

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It’s almost as if social media has only intensified tribalism by giving us two dimensional views of the people we interact with. Our in-group has a diverse set of reasonable ideas, whereas the outgroup is a brainwashed monolith of everything we hate.

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The internet (even pre-social media) is an exercise in group polarization, recursively and repeatedly.

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Oh, he did forget to add the comic cell for “replies to posts about socialism where socialism isn’t even socialist enough”.

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You’re not socialist enough unless you are threatening to murder everyone that you think isn’t socialist enough.

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There’s plenty of actual socialist and communist communities though lol

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If you say so. I can’t say I’ve ever run across one accidentally though.

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Because you are on an instance that has defederated with many of the other ones where these types of posts originate.

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Lemmy.world is defederated from the largest Marxist aligned instances.

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Like which ones?

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Hexbear.net and Lemmygrad.ml are explicitly Marxist aligned. Lemmy.ml’s admins are Marxists, but for some reason insist that it isn’t a Marxist instance. Lemmy.world defederated from both Grad and Hexbear, because the Lemmy.world mods and admins are anti-Marxist.

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lemmy also have shit tons of left wing nut jobs, lets not leave them out.

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…and hexbear

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Hexbear has gone so far left that they popped out on the extreme right.

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damn,i didnt know they existed…i hope it’s not an echo chamber and having overly sensitive mods getting offend at everything.

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Boy do I have some news for you…

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You would think, you would really think, that a platform built on federation and being inherently anti-censorship would have some resistance against becoming an echo chamber.

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If the people interested in a platform that is based on equal access with ownership by many people rather than being subject to one corporate overlord tend to be more socialist, that should not surprise anyone.

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True, gets a bit tiring when you come to relax with some memes and people are preaching about politics.

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Dot world bans socialist servers just fyi

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Believe it or not, socialists don’t universally self-segregate onto the socialist instances.

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The ones that do are banned by your (fed)erated server

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World is more socialist than the defederated infamous ones

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False

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Can you explain? They outright defederate from explicitly Marxist instances.

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It’s also toxic

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dot world was so paranoid they they banned it prior to federation

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What? OMG. 🤣 Explains a lot everything.

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Pre-emptively as a last resort, of course.

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