The multinational has removed dozens of apps, even though the Kremlin’s censorship body did not order the move. These services, half-permitted by the government, enable people in Russia to access social networks and independent media

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The U.S. company — whose phones are still sold in Russian stores despite the firm officially leaving the market due to the invasion of Ukraine…

Apple taking a brave stand as ever.

Edit: This was not the smartest comment.

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Apple left Russia but their phones are still making it there from China. What stand do you mean?

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I thought about that, but it would affect iPhone users from outside Russia who are traveling in Russia, and Apple probably wouldn’t want that.

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Is your expectation that Apple will send in troops to raid phone stores inside of Russia?

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Maybe they expect them to stop China from selling them to Russia, bahahaha

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I misunderstood and my comment wasn’t well considered. It was even dumb.

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This is why you don’t buy into closed-garden ecosystems like this. If you’re on iOS, there’s nothing you can do about it, you’re at their mercy. Android has great support for side loading. There’s really only one choice if you care about freedom.

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You can side load on iPhone, it’s just not as easy. I have multiple side loaded apps.

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Don’t you have to renew them all the time though?

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Not anymore if you use their new sideloading framework… which is only available in the EU

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So you’re saying that Apple doesn’t have great support for side loaded apps unlike Android.

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This is why you don’t buy into closed-garden ecosystems like this.

You can absolutely set up a VPN without any app, thus your argument of how this is a reason why the walled-garden concept is flawed. iOS also has side-loading btw :)

There’s really only one choice if you care about freedom.

There really isn’t just one choice if you care about freedom, it’s ironic you think a singular choice is the way forward anyway when talking about freedom. Really interesting how you shape this narrative based on zero facts.

Lastly, I think it’s very funny that you think Google is someone you can trust to give you freedom

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You’ve replied to like 5 other of my comments the exact same thing at this point. Like I replied to the other guy, my comment is not saying you can’t set up a VPN without an app, even though that’s a very rare method of doing so regardless. Apple is literally a closed garden, that does not change anything lol.

Also no, like I said in my other comment, you can’t side load. What you think is a “gotcha” is that there’s a work around where you register a developer account and load an unofficial application that way. You know very well yourself that Apple does not want you sideloading, and this is not meant for consumer applications, and that it is easily blockable at any point by Apple. That is why the EU is constantly hitting Apple with anti-trust and anti-competition lawsuits. This has literally been proven in court, it is not an opinion. You are being incredibly bad faith for no reason. Apple does not want you sideloading, Android does.

Also AOSP is not Google. Though in reality, Google phones tend to support alternative operating systems the best. Even if that stopped being the case and they went locked down suddenly, there are still tons of other Android manufacturers out there that can have their bootloader unlocked and run their entirely own degoogled ecosystems. So you should probably know what you’re talking about, but you think this is a brand vs brand debate or something. It’s not, Android is simply designed around side-loading, is officially supported, and intended by consumers. iOS is not. It’s not complicated.

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Yes they do. Millions of them do.

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iOS supports VPN out of the gate. Apps just make it easier to configure. Please don’t spew divisive misinformation, regardless if this is ignorant to the facts or otherwise.

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Where did you read that I said iOS doesn’t support adding VPNs?

My message is clearly talking about side loading. Don’t twist my words.

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I do wish it were possible to make iOS more free. With that said, is it a fair comparison to draw when someone only knows how to use a VPN if it’s in the App Store, whether Apple’s or Google Play?

So novices on either platform are harmed by lessened app availability even while both could be instructed to set a VPN up in settings or sideload an app.

Now if it’s a TOR browser or something, that’s a big L for Apple.

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and iOS supports sideloading, don’t twist reality. The elitism is dripping from every word of your comment. It’d be alright if your comments were based in reality but they aren’t :/

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Normal VPNs don’t work in Russia, you need one that’s masked as usual traffic now.

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You can get a free VPS from AWS or Oracle Cloud and set up Wireguard on it

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Suspicious!

You can use most VPN services via the Wireguard or OpenVPN apps though, or even via some of the protocols natively supported by iOS not requiring any third-party app.

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Normies never heard about wireguard nor openvpn, this enough to deter a lot of ppl imo

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Oh I’m not trying to imply otherwise.

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The issue is 3rd party apps make it easier for non-techie people to subvert censorship. Raising the bar works bigly in the Kremlin’s favor.

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side-loading in iOS has been possible for some time now

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Hey just so you know apple and apple products suck and belong in the bin 🤷

Apple’s shareholders and BoD should be thrown off the highest building imaginable.

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Absolutely, in addition to this, you can sideload apps as well without issue. I do it all the time

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Corporations. Are. Not. Your. Friend.

This message courtesy of corporations rent seeking on public infrastructure our economies cannot survive without.

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I see no mention of what they actually removed or how reputable they are. “VPN apps” are a reasonably common approach to spyware. (Common enough that literally Facebook has done it.)

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You mean vpn apps deploy spyware?

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They’re a good actual mechanism for spyware, because they see all your traffic.

Https means that they can’t see the actual contents without installing a root certificate, but they can see all the sites you visit and for how long. Reputable providers (at least the good ones) do not log any of this, but you should have a high level of trust in a provider to use their VPN, because they see a lot still.

That doesn’t mean that they didn’t ban legit VPNs. I don’t know. But it doesn’t really qualify as “reporting news” without at least a list of the apps that were banned, because they’re providing no information at all about the legitimacy of the apps, and it’s a category appealing to bad actors.

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