64 points

This is exactly what we should expect all of Biden’s top allies to say, publically, unless he decides to back out, in which case all these same people will publically say the next lady is the best bet now.

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15 points

Democrats are doing the same thing that republicans are doing: standing behind their man regardless of whether he’s fit for office or not.

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It’s worked incredibly well for the right over the last 50 years. I suspect the left doesn’t actually have the discipline to do the same.

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18 points

I’m not sure I trust anyone who labels themselves a “top Biden ally” to be honest. They definitely couldn’t be biased in any way, right?

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It’s literally the people running his campaign…

“I think he’s the only Democrat who can beat Donald Trump,” Sen. Chris Coons, D-Del., a Biden campaign co-chair, said during an interview on ABC News’ “This Week.” “And let me tell you, we had the single best day of grassroots fundraising after the debate.”

And that’s not even getting into how those are pro-Biden donations so much as “please for fucks sake someone stop trump” donations that literally any Dem candidate would be receiving.

It’s what happens when you insist on running back to back campaigns on just not being the other guy…

Like, cool bro, we know the other guy sucks, but why are you here?

We could have someone we actually want instead, who is also not trump and have the same level of voter support.

From a cold emtionaless perspective, there is just literally no advantage to Joe Biden being the nominee.

And this election is more important than Joe Biden’s feelings. We shouldn’t just let him have this one, it’s not the last fucking cookie, it’s deciding who has the best shot of stopping a fascist takeover of the country.

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Not to mention him dropping out would be acknowledging their personal failure and likely eliminate some of their jobs. Anita Dunn is one of the people directly responsible for this, but if she can gaslight us all she can continue her revolving door “consulting” (a job status selected so she wouldn’t have to release financial information).

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Because he is. Even if we don’t like him. Even if we think his handling of Israel is fucking disgusting. Even if we think he’s too god damned old.

Trying to run someone new without any primaries now would almost assuredly leave us with a worse candidate and a splintered voting bloc.

Why? Because without primaries, it’s basically in the DNC’s hands to choose a new candidate, which they are totally allowed to do as a private organization. I know this because they never legally argued that they didn’t put their finger on the scale for Hillary Clinton in court, they argued that as a private organization, the DNC is allowed to make its own rules and break its own rules. (The law was on their side, so they pounded the law, since the facts would have said they totally did put a finger on the scale for her.)

How many Democratic voters do you think are going to line up for a party-chosen candidate? What if they did “go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way.” I think a lot of voters would be real unhappy with that.

Even if the party chose to let their delegates choose a candidate at the convention (less than two months away), it could easily turn into an absolute shitshow and also split the party vote.

Biden is who we’ve got and we can accept that or fuck up our chances for any semblance of democracy even more.

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So if Biden died right now, the party would die with him?

Why is the candidate so important anyways? Isn’t the program much more important? As a European, I don’t understand what’s going on in US politics. Nobody seems to care for the politics and everyone just wants the drama.

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13 points

You can thank Republican control of the media and defunding education for that.

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4 points

No you can thank the two-party system for that.

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0 points

He mentally died years ago.

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We’ve never had a pair of candidates this unpopular. (Maybe Trump vs Clinton)
If the Dems had any kind of brains, they absolutely would pick someone else at the convention.
Just not Harris; She might be the only one, less popular than Biden is.

Trump has his evangelicals, they’re a done deal. His others voters are a “tear down the system” vote. People who are tired of being fucked over, no matter who’s in office. They see him as the “worse” things need to get, before they can get better; And they may be right.
If the Dems picked a genuine progressive, who offered several big radical changes (that we all know the ownership class hates), they would take a lot of votes from trump. They would win.

But I doubt they’d do it.
The only thing more scary to Dems than Trump, is a genuine progressive.

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14 points

I guess “vote blue no matter who” only applies when you’re punching left…

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6 points

Always has been sadly

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9 points

The DNC picked Biden and chose not to primary him. Dispite knowing better than any of us how unwell he is. This system is absurd.

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1 point

In 2028 after 4 more years of Biden, what then? You really think people will want 4 more years of Democrat broken promises after 8? Trump wins this year either way. Democrats are blowing it

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20 points

Of course they did, they’re his top 5 allies, lol

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The Dems really messed up imo by not screwing the others out of primaries and debates with Biden. They totally rigged it for Biden and now they don’t have much choice but to keep trying to push forward, but they knew what they were getting into. They’ve known Biden wasn’t well for a long time

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Exactly, the moment to replace him was from the get-go. Now we’re logistically in too deep without splitting the entire party and essentially just handing the win to Trump. (Thanks so much DNC, it’s totally clear you know better than the voters in your own party. /s)

I blame ineffectual Democrats who are more concerned with their power inside their own party for the rise of fascism as much as the fascists themselves, because their fucking buffoonery and chicanery literally enable the fascist Republican crime spree.

I mean fuck, look how long they carted out Dianne Feinstein pretending she was still a functional human being instead of just running anyone the fuck else.

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How often does either party primary an incumbent president? Wikipedia only lists five notable one. And also has this little factoid that shows it usually backfires for the party.

Since the advent of the modern primary election system in 1972, an incumbent president has never been defeated by a primary challenger, though every president who faced a strong primary challenge went on to be defeated in the general election.

Edit - Forgot my wiki link. =(

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Excellent point, I wasn’t aware of that one. Not that we should always treat the past as indicative of the future, but rather, it’s clear that choosing such a path is playing with fire. For a litany of reasons.

Sadly, with Trump, we can’t afford to play with fire, period.

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4 points

Never so far. There’s a first time for everything.

But there’s also the option of not primarying him and just not running Biden at all.

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I wonder how many of those 5 had an incumbent who was no longer capable of running a country.

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Then maybe the incumbent president should sit the fuck down and go back to sleep. Usually the third party runs anyway and siphons votes away.

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They are fine with Trump pulling the country further to the right and lowering the bar for 2028. Whatever they have to do to keep from moving left with all the poors.

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