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Go vegan!

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can you give me a compelling reason?

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It is the largest positive impact a single person can have on the environment. Kurzgesagt video with the analysis.

As a vegetarian for decades, it’s also cheaper, often healthier, and isn’t difficult at all once you find some new recipes you like. You also don’t need to switch all at once. Ease into it by cooking one vegetarian meal a week and then increase it as you find ones you like.

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Vegan ≠ Vegetarian.

Veganism starts and ends with “no animal exploitation”. And due to some weird ingroup/outgroup dynamics Extremely Online Vegans will get batshit insane radical with it and refuse to feed meat to their cats or insist that eating honey is fundamentally unethical.

I eat very little meat, mostly for environmental and partly for ethical reasons, but bringing up the environmentalist side of vegetarianism to defend veganism (a radical dogma based on a specific ethical stance) is missing the mark entirely.

With all that said, everyone should eat less meat, and way less red meat.

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Infinitely incorrect. Not reproducing is the greatest lack of a negative impact a single person can have on the environment (which is all going vegan can do, not eating meat will never have greater than a zero net impact on emissions).

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I’m not watching your YouTube video. if you can’t articulate a compelling reason, just say so.

I find it hard to believe that it is the biggest impact a single person can have. can you enumerate the other strategies it is weighed against?

you also aren’t supporting your claims about affordability, health, nor ease with anything but anecdotal evidence.

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We need to greatly reduce meat consumption in order to make our planet sustainable for human life. You can start at your own pace, but it’s easier than ever with all of the meat alternatives these days.

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I could be convinced meat production needs to be reduced, and consumption would necessarily follow, but haven’t you already tried reducing consumption? it hasn’t worked to reduce, or even stop the growth of production:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?tab=chart&country=~OWID_WRL

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If nothing else - your health.

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your not my doctor

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Like… No shit?

Meat industry makes tons of money.

Activist groups and scientists don’t.

How are the poor supposed to spend more than the mega rich on anything?

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Save the animals, eat the rich.

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It’s not working and they have cause for concern. Mean consumption is on a downward trend

Edit: I meant to say in the United States it’s slowing down.

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It also explains why Big Dairy was trying to make almond milk be labeled “nut juice” and protect the term “milk”.

I really do think the SAD will be one of the last things to fall in our path toward progression - and that’s assuming we steadily progress. Seeing donnie and his supporters doesn’t exactly lead me to believe that about ~30% of this country wants any progress. The reactionaries have been doing nearly all they can to deride, mock and hold back any and all forms of reduction of our ridiculous levels of consumption of dairy and dead flesh for years and years. I even still run into some of them that think being a (male) vegetarian will turn you into a woman or something, because “protein”, LOL.

There is a lot of propaganda to overcome on the path to getting Americans to eat a properly healthy diet AND to curb the massive global warming from their current diet already - and dumb fad diets like eating all-steak like Peterson or the “paleo” diet are not helping at all.

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which is why they are spending so much. it’s a good sign in some ways.

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I love eating beef and whatnot, but my body seems to respond better to eating less of that in a given sitting. As someone growing up in the 80s, it seemed like that diet should be a 50/50 mix of beef and spinach…

I think they are going to have a hard time convincing people to feel crummier… it’s much healthier and cheaper to stick to that old “pack of playing card portion”

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Mean consumption is on a downward trend

can you show me some evidence of this?

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Sorry, I meant to say it’s slowing down, not trending down as I wrote originally. Most stats show this trend.

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can you link any of them?

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I would love to see this too!!

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Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s true. Here’s some US data I found with one quick search.

To add to that, as underdeveloped areas become more modern and income levels increase, it tends to follow that meat consumption increases along with it.

I would be very happy to be proven wrong on this.

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Sorry, I meant to say it’s slowing down, not trending down as I wrote originally. Most stats show this trend.

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I imagine costs would be the main thing driving down consumption if anything. Until we subsidize alternatives like we do meat, and the prices of meat alternatives are cheaper, people will have incentives to eat real meat.

It would cost us less to subsidize them long term, and it would lower costs of meat… And help the environment. Wins all around, yet people will vote blindly against it.

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Why does meat need lobbying? Most people already consider it essential and like the taste.

It’s like lobbying for sugar…

Wait a minute…

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For anyone interested in supporting those going up against the meat lobby, look into the Agriculture Fairness Aliance

https://www.agriculturefairnessalliance.org/about/mission

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