Hey there folks,
I’m trying to figure out how to configure my UFW, and I’m just not sure where to start. What can I do to see the intetnet traffic from individual apps so I can know what I might want to block? This is just my personal computer and I’m a total newbie to configuring firewalls so I’m just not sure how to go about it. Most online guides seem to assume one already knows what they want to block but I don’t even know how/where to monitor local traffic to figure out what I can/should consider blocking.
You’ve got it backwards. A firewall blocks everything, then you open up the ports you want to use. A standard config would allow everything going out, and block everything coming in (unless you initiated that connection, then it is allowed).
So the question you should be asking, is what services do you think you’re going to be running on your desktop that you plan to allow anyone on the internet to get to?
Not entirely clear but perhaps OP is talking about blocking unwanted outgoing reqjests? E.g. anti-features and such since they mention traffic from their apps.
@Shdwdrgn @Cornflake_Dog false. a firewall can indeed have a default block everything policy, but this is still a configurable option
Sure it CAN be configured, but the typical policy of firewalls is to start from a position of blocking everything. From what I’ve seen, on Linux the standard starting point is blocking all incoming and allowing all outgoing. On Windows the default seems to be blocking everything in both directions. Sure you could start with a policy of allowing everything and block only selected ports, but what good is that when you can’t predict what ports an attacker might come from?
@Shdwdrgn on Linux, the firewall with zero custom rules always allowed everything. did that change in very recent kernels? if that’s the case, I’d expect a lot of lost acces to remote servers
Please stop giving bad advise. The local firewall is not the same as the public firewall and nat on the router. Your comment is incredibly misleading. You can have no Firewall and the services will not be available publicly
What are you talking about? You’re assuming that every residential router is going to have some kind of firewall enabled by default (they don’t). Sure, if OP has a router that provides a basic firewall type service then it will likely block all incoming unauthorized traffic. However OP is specifically talking about a linux-based firewall and hasn’t specified if they have a router-based firewall service in place as well so we can only provide info on the firewall they specified. And if you look at UFW, the default configuration is to allow outgoing traffic and block all but a very few defined incoming ports.
You’re also making the assumption that OP is using NAT, when that is not always the case for all ISPs. Some are really annoying with their setup in that they give a routable IP to the first computer that connects and don’t allow any other connections (I had that setup once with Comcast). In this case, you wouldn’t even need to define port-forwarding to get directly to OP’s computer – and any services they might be running. This particular scenario is especially dangerous for home computers and I really hope no legitimate ISP is still following a practice like this, however I don’t take anything for granted.
Regardless of what other equipment OP has, UFW is going to provide FAR better defaults and configurability when compared to a residential router that is simply set up to create the fewest support calls to their ISP.
You know enough to be dangerous…
Why would an ISP assign a public IP to a users device? That wouldn’t make any sense. IPs are rare and expensive so that wouldn’t waste it on you. Each customer gets one IP and that is shared for all devices via NAT.
What your describing doesn’t make any sense
I fail to see why this is bad advice. Sure you could just disable the firewall on your computer on a local network. But that’s under the assumption that you can trust everything on your local network. What if it’s a laptop? Do you also trust any public networks you may connect to on the go? Having firewall both on the router and on your computer provides an additional layer of security, and I think that’s good advice in general. You can for example set it up to only allow incoming connections when connected to your home network for example.
There is a difference between good practice and fear mongering. You aren’t going to lose it all because you didn’t turn on the Firewall.
By default it should be configured to allow all outgoing, and block all incoming. That’s perfectly fine for a desktop/laptop and you don’t need to mess with it.
You can’t really do that much outgoing filtering with a firewall that will be useful, because basically everything operates on port 80/443, and often connects to the same CDNs or datacenter IPs for multiple services.
Instead DNS blocking is a much more effective way to handle it, plus uBlock Origin in your browser.
Just to clarify this comment for other “total newbies”: yes, the UFW default config is fine and “you don’t need to mess with it”.
But by default UFW itself is not even enabled on any desktop OS. And you also don’t need to mess with that. It’s because the firewall is on the router.
OP said clearly that this “is just my personal computer” and here we all are spreading unintentional FUD about firewall configs as if it’s for a public-facing server.
This pisses me off a bit because I remember having exactly the same anxiety as OP, to the point of thinking Linux must be incredibly insecure - how does this firewall work? dammit it’s not even turned on!! And then I learned a bit more about networking.
This discussion should have begun with the basics, not the minutiae.
Many people use laptops and use other wifi networks or tether to their phone, both can expose you because of unknown firewall states or IPv6 being used.
Yes, I am one of those people, literally all the time. This is the point of laptops.
And I use default Ubuntu Desktop config, kept up to date of course.
If that makes me and OP sitting targets, then maybe we should address this concern to the people who make distros rather than to a random anxious newbie.
Its good practice to have a firewall local as well. However, you are right it about it not being to critical
If you really need one take white list approach. Block everything you don’t need and only open what you need. Have fun finding out what you need.
Worth noting that if you’re trying to block telemetery or ads or things like that, using an adblocking dns is probably the better option. Either through a pihole on your network or some online adblocking dns.
Other than that, if you’re looking for one because you think you “need” one, don’t worry too much if it’s just a personal computer connected to a router. Most distros ship with sensible defaults for security.
If you actually want to use a firewall, block all incoming and allow all outgoing is a reasonable rule of thumb if you aren’t running a server. Note that “block incoming” doesn’t block connections that the system itself started.
Blocking incoming traffic and accepting outgoing traffic is usually the default for distributions anyway.
This seems to be some of the most worthwhile advice. I do use a pretty reasonable DNS client (NextDNS) and it allows me to configure some useful filters and such, and when I’m browsing the internet I also use uBlock Origin and manually allow any third party content one by one.
I did configure UFW to block incoming and allow outgoing, and that should be more than enough for me. I think I’m a pretty “standard” user in the sense that I would make a fairly average target for a would-be attacker. It’s not like I own a web server with goodies worth exploiting.
A part of me really wants to learn more because at some point I’ll have my own router that I’ll want to ensure is configured properly because I’ll likely end up making my own server for media stuff.
Thank you for your reply!
I recommend reading “TCP/IP Illustrated: Volume 1, Second Edition” if you want to learn more about networking. Make sure it’s the second edition, because the first edition is very old. The second edition is also over a decade old now, but it’s still almost completely correct, as the basics haven’t changed much. And don’t mistake the book to be overly simplified because of the title; it’s a very technical book that references the actual RFCs wherever appropriate.
You should block everything, except the things you want to get through. A firewall (at least in Linux) blocks everything inbound by default.
