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haven’t they determined that most Israeli Jewish folk are genetically just european? like one of their ancestors chose to convert

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If only people could understand the basic concept that hating a government is possible without hating the people living there.

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One of my favorite quotes:

If I have one message to give to the secular American people, it’s that the world is not divided into countries. The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don’t know each other, but we talk together and we understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.  - Marjane Satrapi 

Different situation, same idea.

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Israel claims to be a democracy and also commits genocide.

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  1. Democracy and genocide are separate

  2. Israel is by definition obviously not committing genocide, the Palestinians population is only going up

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Exactly. Hamas is a monstrous organization based on the most corrupted religious fundamentalism, but I have nothing but love for the people of Gaza.

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Reminder that Hamas is widely supported by most Palestinians

53% of Palestinians believe Hamas is “most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people”

https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87

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First of all I really wouldn’t put much weight on the voting results in an area where Hamas uses violence for decades to keep in power. Especially if there isn’t any semblance of a modern democratic state such as regular(!!) elections, freedom of speech and a free press. A 1-2 generation long youth indoctrination like the Nazis did also really doesn’t create an educated and politically mature population.

And of course 53% still leaves a huge amount of people who aren’t in favour. Not to mention that there is a 70+ year long ongoing conflict which has left pretty much no one in Gaza (or Israel for that matter) who doesn’t know someone getting hurt or killed by the opposing side’s actions. It’s hardly surprising that there’s hard feeling (major understatement) in a lot of people.

And lastly we certainly wouldn’t want to use public opinion as justification for killing civilians. That’s the reasoning the likes of Osama bin Laden do to justify shit like 9/11.

TL;DR: This conflict is complicated as hell and basically a self fueling cycle of hatred where even the good side is acting very shitty a lot of times.

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A reminder:

Palestinians are awesome!

The genocidal regime that rules over Gaza who murder innocent people while blocking Palestinian democracy is NOT AWESOME!

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What about all the Palestinians internationally that are currently celebrating that massacre?

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Probably the same as all the Jewish and Christian people internationally that celebrate and monetarily and militarily support the Israeli apartheid regime even as they would kill innocents, cut off water and supplies, and kill journalists. ESH.

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Palestinian citizens are given supplies by the IDF. I always found accusations of cutting supplies to citizens very uninformed.

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Obviously not awesome but easy to explain. I assume that being Palestinian gives them a certain - very one sided perspective on the conflict because they probably perceive Israel as an evil colonialist terror State that has been oppressing and killing them for decades.

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Try being gay or trans in Gaza. And see how awesome cool 😎 the Palestinians are.

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We gay people must provide the palestinians with clean drinking water, and this will change hearts and minds 🏳️‍⚧️🙆‍♀️

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No it won’t. You’ll be stoned for being gay just the same.

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Mass genocide is OK as long as they’re homophobic.

Because oppressing a people makes them more progressive and not less.

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Try being a Palestinian in Gaza and see how awesome and cool Israel is. Being pro gay doesn’t change who’s the oppressor and who is oppressed.

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Lemmy’s flooded with anti-palestinian-occupation propaganda today.

Please keep it up.

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Probably American Redditors that can’t see past any of the narratives they’ve been force fed

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I’ve been awake too long, but isn’t murdering infidels and blowing up thousands of years of culture so you can seize a land promised to you by an invisible omnipotent being that only important powerful people can talk to kind of like the Crusades?

I could be wrong. I’m an illiterate pagan. I find religious expression hugging trees and doing a number of other activities in the nude.

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Tbh, the concept doesn’t require a specific religion or even any religion at all to work.

Christians can do that, so can Jews, Muslims, Hindi or any other religion. Or Marxists or Capitalists, Nazis or Brits, Americans or Russians.

In general, large organisations (countries, companies, religions, …) that want to gain money/power through violence usually pick a random ideology or motive to do so, because it helps to justify the act and thus motivates soldiers/fighters and potential recruits.

But the justification is never the actual reason. The reason is to increase money and power.

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