271 points

24 y/o with a teaching job.

No real income is what she has. Probably on top of a shitton student debt.

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Don’t forget how much money she spends on classroom supplies for her “not real kids”!

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88 points

Apparently she doesn’t have a good parent either.

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“no real bills” I’d believe…if the parent said she lived at home (no rent, and food provided), was on parents’ insurance (health, auto, etc.), had no student debt, and was walking distance to work.

But given that her parent didn’t, I’d guess that isn’t the case. Turns out rent, food, transportation, and like you said, student debt, are all…what’s the word…real bills?

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4 points

To a lot of people “serious bills” means credit card debt for shit they didn’t need.

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18 points

She’s also probably paying for school supplies.

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6 points

'Murica!

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By the description it sounds like she lives at home? Teachers start most places at $40k+ a year. If she doesn’t have any bills and she’s 24 and no longer wants to wear glasses or contacts, yeah. That’s on her.

*Edit: Some of you disagree with my remarks about most teachers starting at over $40k. So in a below comment I provided facts and sources. The “teachers start most places at $40k+” is spot on.

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Where are teachers starting at $40,000? That was 10 year salary in most of the US not even 5 years ago. My brother, his wife, and one of my sisters all started at ≈$24,000 a year, and they still had to supply their classrooms with basic supplies. They all got into teaching at completely different points over the last 19 years. One in '05, one in '12, and the last in '16 and they all started at ≈$24,000 a year. This was in Indiana, Georgia, and Virginia.

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5 points

Straight from the National Education Association website.. This is a .org pro teacher and pro education website that is actively trying to increase teacher pay.

The National average for NEW teachers is $44,530. 28 percent of districts that staff a total of 300,000 teachers start at below $40,000. However, 23 percent of districts start at over $50,000, and those districts staff a total of 1,300,000 teachers. So over four times more teachers start over $50k, compared to the under $40k crowd.

Furthermore, Montana and Missouri have the lowest average starting teacher salaries and they are still at $34,500 and $36,800. So even if you’re in the dead last worst off state in the country, you’re still average new teacher salary is about $35,000.

So your numbers you have are a far, far, cry from reality for all but the lowest paid teachers in the lowest paid areas and are like a decade back from today’s rates.

As a completely superficial note, my friend just got her first full time teaching job for grade school and is in the 2nd lowest paying state for new teachers in the country; Missouri. Her starting salary is $51,000.

So if you want to have any argument or discussion about my original statement for teacher salaries being incorrect, do as I have and back it up with facts and sources.

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4 points

My starting teacher salary in 2016 was $33K before taxes

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And that was a long time and a lot of inflation ago.

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0 points

Spoken like someone who doesn’t have student debt. Or understand it at all.

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124 points

This pervasive selfishness in older generations sickens and astounds me.

Imagine not wanting to give your kids everything.

I would forego food if I had to in order to help my kids see better.

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20 points

I would forego food to make sure my kids had glasses or contacts, sure.

I would not forego food so they could have elective surgery.

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38 points

Pay once or pay multiple times a year? LASIK pays for itself, you’ll always be buying glasses and contacts.

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18 points

LASIK isn’t some great cure. It has potential side effects and you can end up seeing worse than you did before.

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11 points

Really it’s the upfront cost. Over the last 20 years I can say confidently that I have not spent more on corrective lenses than I would have on LASIK, but I’m getting close. I had it priced out last year and it’s about $4500 for the procedure. I’m at a point in my life where I would feel comfortable taking on those payments now. I know growing up there was zero chance my parents could have made it happen for me, it we would have all been starving.

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8 points

LASIK procedures are “permanent”, at best, till the patient’s mid-40s. one source.

Pay once or pay multiple times a year?

no glasses wearers pay “multiple times a year” for new spectacles and lenses. the frequency does go up to once in two years or once a year after the mid-40s because of presbyopia, but that expense would be incurred anyway whether one gets a LASIK procedure done or not.

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1 point

You can get glasses for like $20 online. The ones at the optometrist are expensive because of insurance.

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13 points

An elective surgery you call it, an investment in their vision, I call it. Not everyone has vision as part of their insurance, and contacts/glasses/exams can get expensive without (or even with, depending on the policy). Viewed in that way, LASIK can definitely be seen as an investment.

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0 points

I mean, lasik comes with issues down the road if you go for the cheaper procedures, and even the good ones if you have complications.

If the question is money, adding risk is often not the wisest of decisions…

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2 points

It’s not like she’s asking for breast implants or liposuction(or something else that is not reconstructive in nature). It’s lasik, and it’ll help her quality of life, no more worrying about breaking her glasses or losing contacts.

We dont know if she works in special ed where getting hit in the face could be a normal occurance for her. Maybe she struggles with contacts. Either way there are a lot of reasons for someone to want to go that route.

Also, comparing lasik to something like nonreconstructive cosmetic surgery is disingenuous. One is completely for aesthetics, the other affects function.

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0 points

Would you forego getting a 3rd car or building an addition on your home or half of your yearly retirement investment so your kid wouldn’t have to spend too much money every few years on glasses?

That is the biggest chance of what actually would be the situation.

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This isn’t a generational problem. It exists across all generations. Looks more like narcissism

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4 points

Did you mean “isn’t a generational problem?”

The rest of the comment makes more sense to me that way, but as is written, I’m not certain what you are trying to say.

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4 points

Indeed, I did.

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1 point

Baby boomers were called “the me generation” by their predecessors before being called baby boomers. Sure, there are selfishness and narcissism at any period. But when everybody notices a trend, it’s hard to say they’re just like everyone else.

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3 points

Dirty commie kid, he should pay for food/shelter/happiness with labor /s

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1 point

I believe it’s because they’re all brain damaged due to lead poisoning from leaded gasoline that was widely used in their formative years.

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1 point

I believe it’s because they’re all brain damaged due to lead poisoning from leaded gasoline that was widely used in their formative years.

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She isn’t going blind. Lol.

She just doesn’t want to wear contacts or glasses anymore.

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118 points

“no real kids”

“no real bills”

🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

the fact that he added “real” to both means she has them but he somehow doesn’t consider them real, whatever the fuck that means. but this sounds like a total piece of shit and i feel sorry for the 24 year old.

nothing like ruining the economy and the future for the next generation and then refusing to help.

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I think everyone is misunderstanding the “kids” part.

The daughter is a teacher, meaning she has “kids” (i.e. in her classroom), but not “real kids”, as in, kids of her own. A strange way of saying it, but I’m sure that’s what she meant.

The no real bills part… that could mean anything. If she’s living with her folks and doesn’t have to pay rent, utilities, etc., then I can understand how a request like that could be taken poorly by the mother.

Still, posting it on social media is Karen-like behaviour.

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“Can you describe the nature of the unrealness of these bills, as its own thing and not as the absence of something else?”

Just thought the dissection of that particular “weasel word” might help someone out there at some point.

“Brandy made in Germany isn’t “real” cognac. The nature of the unrealness is that it was made in Germany and not the cognac region of France.”

You may disagree but my point here is, right or wrong, you can always describe the nature of the unrealness, unless its being used as a cheap, underhanded rhetorical device.

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I’m guessing the kids comment was about pets. ‘No real bills’ I’m guessing she still lives at home and pays some token amount towards rent/utilities.

We can speculate all we like, but I could see this going either way, and I’d be frustrated if my 24 year old couldn’t support themselves too.

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23 points

I mean she’s a teacher. A very hard job with lots of unpaid work that often offers downright sad wages.

Being unable to support oneself despite a full-time job is a more and more common thing in our world.

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15 points

My cousin is a coparent in a polycule of 3, but she is not the biological parent of their children, she is the default parent though, as she is a SAHM and the other parents work. They’ve been together for 23 years.

Half my family acts like she doesn’t have any children, and that she’s some sad single live in nanny. They will ask her how her “room mates and their kids” are going, even if the “room mate” is standing next to her with his hand on her arse and has just finished telling a story about how in love they are.

My dad is also thinks I have “no real bills” because I don’t have a mortgage. He says rent isn’t a real bill because it’s not like the bank will take my house if I don’t pay. History opinion on evictions is “that not the same, because you can get a new place to rent that night, you can’t buy a new house in a day”

My rent is 6x more than his mortgage and I don’t know anyone who could get approved for a rental the same day they get evicted for not paying rent, but sure dad, I’m rolling in expendable income over here.

Some families are weird about denying how their relatives live.

But it could also be that she calls her cat “her baby” and lives at home with only personal bills.

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1 point

I’d expect ‘no real bills’ to include rent for their own apartment (because the parent doesn’t get how much it costs nowadays), but no car bills for example.

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i feel like if he’s frustrated about his kid and she only has pets he’d just say no kids. but people are weird with animals so who knows.

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88 points

what does “no real kids” and “no real bills” mean?

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65 points

Pets and “only” bills related to the daughter and her everyday life.

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And I’d bet “real bills” are only bills that the parent deems worthy — mortgage, car payment, etc. I’m guessing teacher pays rent, utilities, pays for groceries…

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4 points

Nah. Rent and utilities are definitely counted as real bills by everyone. She probably lives at home, or at someone else’s house and just pays like $400 a month to stay there.

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She’s a teacher, so she has kids that aren’t hers, and probably pays her phone bill and auto loan and student debt (and possibly rent to her shitty parents). Those parents of course don’t consider those real bills.

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It’s worse when you consider that “real bills”, ie a mortgage, is probably out of her reach while he had it easy.

He’s mocking his own daughter, when she probably got absolutely fucked by corruption and the economy, for not having the opportunity to indebt herself for housing, when he probably bought his house on a potato salary.

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67 points

The fuck does no real bills mean? Does eating, rent and gas/insurance not count as real bill?

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40 points

Forget the bills, why does she clarify no real kids?

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Pets, or the more grotesque option, step-children.

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6 points

I assumed that they might be referring to either pets or kids in her class at school. Don’t teachers have to pay for stuff out of pocket a lot of times?

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1 point

Don’t teachers have to pay for stuff out of pocket a lot of times?

Yep. But at least you can claim that on your taxes! Only up to $300 per year though.

(Spoiler alert: it’s always more than $300 a year)

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5 points

Stranger still: “no real kid(s)”.

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27 points

More importantly what does no real kids mean?

Step kids? Only daughters? Just pets?

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6 points

Probably the kids she has in classroom.

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3 points

Students, maybe?

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10 points

I just assumed she lived at home a d mom and dad paid for her car, insurance and cell phone. If she’s lucky, they also paid for college.

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8 points

You know what, i kinda agree. Eating, rent, transport, etc shouldnt be real bills. A teacher 100% should be able to pay for those easily.

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2 points

I mean that is how it works in my country, not so much the US

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