In a different context: EDIT: And not Related to the main point of the post.
The nazis did have cool uniforms and i think there is something super woke and punk about wearing a version of one where all the symbols are defiled or replaced.
There is a certain something in denying fascist the power to claim an outfit or even such ancient symbol, and liberating fashion. But especially symbolism is easily misunderstood. You need very obvious irony or anti symbolism to pull it off.
wrong place bub.
I’m all for reclaiming the toothbrush mustache but this has nothing to do with this thread.
That’s actually a very cool idea.
Do a proper SS leather jacket but with a defiled swastika all over the back (so no one can mistake it) and reclaim it?
I’d probably not use the red band.
And would this become problematic in a decade when the jackets get normalised and mainstream (probably without the punk defiling)?
It’s been done before
I saw a guy wearing an SS uniform but the armband was a rainbow and the SS insignias were all 2 dildos arranged in a 69 pattern once. Probably some more details but that’s what I remember after all these years
This was at a gay pride parade before it was federally legalized here and if I recall right he said it was a joke on how many people thought he gay agenda was coming for them
Dude looked good
I think making marginalised people around you not have to get close enough to check out your emblems before they get the fuck out of your vicinity is orders of magnitude more important than “reclaiming” “cool” uniforms that were never yours to claim in the first place unless you’re a Nazi yourself, and aren’t really cool at all unless you’re in to authoritarianism (and if that’s your kink, whatever, but you don’t get to inflict fear on to non consenting participants with it).
There are plenty of other uniform like cloths for you to wear, deliberately making yourself look like a Nazi isn’t doing positive shit for anyone.
I am not saying i want to don a nazi cosplay, and i did express that in reality this is complicated.
Its more the principle of “i cannot do this” even if i have non offensive intentions, because if i do people will associate it with the bad intentions.
To me this leaves a dirty feeling of them having a super minor grip over creative choices.
Admittedly a lot of this is coming from a core memory of mine where a very young and innocent artistic child had to come to terms that i am not allowed to draw the momentum of windmills.
I love geometry a lot more then i like uniforms, but the same philosophical pattern applies.
That’s a lot of words to say you care more about “aesthetic” than you do about the people around you feeling safe.
Nobody is being accused unjustly by comparing them to Nazis. If you cannot see the parallels you are ignorant of history. I understand they don’t like it.
A lot of families that trusted each other have been broken up by family members deciding to worship a racist demagogue.
Calling out racism doesn’t make me responsible for said racism. That’s a really weird take for you to make.
Wow, a comic character simply pointing out that Trump.people are racist sure seems to have hit a nerve.
The whole MAGA messaging is anti immigration, but only focused on brown immigrants, and has been since it started in 2016. Trump and Vance are currently apreading lies about Haitian immigrants eating pets.
Anyone who is a Trump person supports racism and that makes them racist.
But if you seriously believe those other guys are that bad, just break out into a civil/world war already, there’s basically no other way to solve that problem…
That’s quite reductive. One can see someone as that bad, but still find them redeemable. But it’s a two way street. There needs to be a bit of personal responsibility.
It is reductive, mostly because I’m not capable of considering someone redeemable and irredeemable at the same time. Take your pick. It is a two way street, and you see them as that flawed and they certainly aren’t going to cross outside of their bubble, no chance to ever meet on that street.
I don’t live in lala land, but then again, I’m not the one seeing all of them that flawed. To me, that’s like saying that every member of a cult that went to do something infamous was despicable, it shows zero psychological awareness.
One of the things that cults do is carve off people from the wider populace. It’s them that say “everyone is against you” it’s them that say that “there’s no way back, so you might as well throw your lot in with us. We are the only ones that understand and accept you. As long as you behave in a way that we feel is acceptable, or do something for us”.
Staying in the cult starts off the easy path rather than seek to change yourself. Then, after a while you start falling for the sunk cost fallacy. It’s that, that keeps you in the long term even when times get tough.
But, there is always redemption, a way out. And blaming your whole life on other people isn’t a particularly efficient tactic. Again, personal responsibility.
Bullshit, comrade
If that’s some kind of dunk because of me being on ml, YSK I’m not a communist. Beyond that, I don’t really understand your point, which is fine.
I’ve learned recently that the skinhead movement used to be antiracist and leftist af. Until nazis infiltrated the skinhead punk scene.
Nazis have a rich history of stealing symbols and coopting movements. They’re like hateful little magpies who steal any shiny bits of culture they find and take them back to their nests to shit all over them.
wtf is going on with Hitler’s right nostril in that photo? Is he wearing a stillsuit?
Not generally, but:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinheads_Against_Racial_Prejudice
Antiracist and leftist is kind of an exaggeration; rather an apolitical subculture of the British working class up until the late 70s/early 80s when the National Front infiltrated the scene. This was during the second wave of the skinhead movement, the original skinheads in the 60s were influenced by West Indian immigrants to the UK, and listened mainly to ska and jamaican music, but generally not very politically conscious or involved. Kind of a rougher offshoot of the mod subculture.
The second wave of skinheads came out of the punk movement. A lot of skins were into Oi!/streetpunk and the NF made their own version which was then called RAC (Rock against communism) but is better known these days (at least in Europe) as White Power Music.
I’m not saying there weren’t leftist skinheads (Redskins and Angelic Upstarts would be a good place to start) but as a subculture, the common theme is rather working class identity and pride - which unfortunately, as we’ve seen, can be exploited by fascist movements as well.
