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“The FBI visited my house today for free speech acts they knew were not crimes.”

Uh, calling for violence is NOT protected under the first amendment, so you can fuck right off with that.

“It is well understood that the right of free speech is not absolute at all times and under all circumstances. There are certain well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech, the prevention and punishment of which have never been thought to raise any Constitutional problem. These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous, and the insulting or ‘fighting’ words – those which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. It has been well observed that such utterances are no essential part of any exposition of ideas, and are of such slight social value as a step to truth that any benefit that may be derived from them is clearly outweighed by the social interest in order and morality.”

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In Terminiello v. Chicago (1949), the Supreme Court narrowed the scope of what constitutes fighting words. The Court found that words which produce a clear and present danger are unprotected (and are considering fighting words), but words which invite dispute and even cause unrest are protected (and are not considered fighting words).

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sure, but this guy is not even being charged with anything. we are talking about a warning.

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this guy is not even being charged with anything

He feels threatened, though. That violates his NAP.

If these were black kids playing across the street rather than armed FBI agents pounding on his door, he likely would have tried to gun them down already.

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I mean if Trump’s speech for Jan 6 didn’t count…

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Nor should he be. What he said was most likely “protected” speech.

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Wait. This means that art with lewd, obscene, or profane content is not protected?

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And exactly what is “lewd, obscene, or profane” is not actually defined in the law.

Surely that’s never been abused in the past. No, sir.

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My favorite part of the article is where the libertarians called Lincoln a tyrant who was rightly assassinated.

Very cool and normal.

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Libertarians denounce Lincoln as a tyrant, then spill a gallon of ink praising Coolidge, Eisenhower, and Reagan for brutalizing Latin America and terrorizing American immigrant communities.

They don’t give a shit about Freedom and Liberty. They’re just white nationalists. They want to bring the old plantation system back.

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Yeah it’s very telling that the president they hate the most is the one who ended slavery, and second place was the first black president.

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Hey, now. They also really hate FDR and LBJ.

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Shows how stupid they are, the new plantation system is much more profitable than the old one.

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83 points

Now do Elon.

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Judging from the amount of kids he’s got, I think Elon’s been “done” enough.

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Didn’t the SS do that?

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8 points

Waffen?

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Secret service.

Don’t let nazis control parts of our language.

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Oh geez…both sides love to throw this whole “Nazism” thing around…

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?? Secret Service = Nazism? Since when?

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Fuck that. I just want our law to apply equally so he would be in prison, like any of us would for the same crime.

The latest move of delaying the sentencing to 2 weeks after election is appealing. He announced he is running AFTER DOJ started investigating him and now judge is afraid to sentence it because GOP picked him despite being a convicted felon?

What’s worst is that if he wins the sentence likely will be a slap in the wrist, because they won’t want him for example using military to avoid jail. If he loses the election, then he will immediately appeal, and likely judge will allow him to remain free during appeal process.

We have two tier justice system.

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Alas, we don’t live in that world.

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I think he should be tried for treason. And if convicted suffer the full punishment for that. He is a clear and present threat to democracy. No one should be able to invite an insurrection and have it not be taken as seriously as it was.

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Fuck yeah, FBI party!!!

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I disagree.

There’s probably a better argument that either:

  1. Political assassinations (as a subset of misnamed ‘vigilante justice’) are never good and we shouldn’t reinforce that precedent, or

  2. That person would be a hero to the planet and the future, not just present day America.

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Yes

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Not nearly as edgy as that beard smear ^smeard? they’re sportin’ there. 🥲

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They won’t because this is a fact.

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😇

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I’m not sure “Trump is a martyr” leads to the timeline you think it does.

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It does…without his cult of personality I think the magats fizzle out and slink back into the dark corners of society

Maybe they find a new Messiah in Elon, but I don’t think he has the lack of intelligence to lie like Trump does.

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Musk is at least ineligible to run for president

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Tell me how martyrdom worked out for Mussolini

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I mean these assassination attempts barely stick around the news cycle longer than other shootings and my guess is people are tired enough of him not to care. Hate crime incidence spiked when he won in 2016, so also.theres no version of this election that doesn’t lead to violence. May as well excise the cancer entirely.

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… what?

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5 points

Velvet Elvis? Cool. Velvet Cheeto? Not cool.

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Trump is going to be a martyr no matter how he dies.

I mean, look how they deified Elvis.

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My bet is that they don’t care, since that’s clearly an opinion with no intent. Everyone has already been saying basically that when discussing the assassination attempt. Try adding one of the follow-ups:

Follow-up posts added: ‘The point of the second amendment is to shoot and kill tyrannous politicians’ and  ‘encouraging politicians to be shot is legal under the first amendment. It’s part of what makes this country great.’

Those are even closer to the line (maybe even crossing it) than the initial tweet. This guy was still not arrested for any of it. The agents just feel mandated to act on tips or something.

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Awww. There goes my trip to a black site :(

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Did someone hear something coming from the anonymous abyss? Real name and address and I bet you get your wish.

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I’d get more attention from people here than the FBI lol

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True, lol.

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Anyone who kills Donald Trump would be an enemy of the people, just like the other scum that fight to keep him from facing consequences for his crimes.

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Enemy of the state, not of the people. ;)

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Can I get a lol with a side of smh?

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This is democracy manifest! Can’t a man enjoy a succulent Chinese meal?! A succulent Chinese meal!!!

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Ahh, yes. I see you know your judo well.

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A Chinese meal? THEY’RE EATING THE DOGS!!

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That’s less a look of “shame”, and more a look of “how am I even in the same subset of genetic distribution as this moron?”

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Democratic regime manifest

Never thought I’d see someone unironically chant Democracy Manifest, but here we are

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lol smh

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