The sound of many of them exploding


7 points

This reminds me of when during sieges during the Middle Ages they used to lob the bodies of the dead back inside the castle. I’m not sure if it’s because of the lines they’ve crossed over and ignored regarding civilian casualties on this, or that this will essentially cause other parties to cross those same lines. This is giving ideas to China and Russia, and humanity has been far shittier in the past, I really don’t want to see how bad we will regress to.

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47 points

The media condemned political violence against Trump in unison one month ago.

Israel commits one of the biggest terrorist attacks against a Lebanese political organization in history and the media claps.

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My concern twofold

A: Without evidence I have a hard time seeing planting bombs in devices was solely targeted at fighters. Odds are an entire shipment was targeted and many people who weren’t Hezbollah received bombs

B: Blowing up devices that were by definition carried everywhere certainly killed families and associates who didn’t deserve to die.

During the Iraqi war we considered Iraqi leadership targets and I wouldn’t have been surprised if they considered our leadership targets as well. If they had in fact only killed Hezbollah I would have no problem with the attack.

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They were probably mostly in the hands of Hezbollah members, if not fighters. This is probably why they went off in hospitals as well. Lots of medics who volunteer who’s normal job is being a doctor in a Beirut hospital. Lots of logistics and people hiding weapons in the back of buildings for them.

They’re not full time militants if I understand correctly. Most of these people will have civilian lives and jobs to go to.

Certainly some innocent family members died. There’s no such thing as a completely surgical strike. It is better than what they’ve been doing in Gaza though, by several orders of magnitude. I don’t think anybody can defend what’s been going on there with a straight face.

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9 points

In Iraq every Iraqi civilian was considered a valid target.

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10 points

The definition of “enemy combatant” was “anyone within the blast radius of a US strike”. I kid you not.

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10 points

And they whined about a fucking bus exploding.

About some pipe rockets killing a random bloke or two.

And this

against a Lebanese political organization

appears to be wrong since their attack wasn’t at all this targeted. It’s a mass terror campaign against whole Lebanese population in order to saturate its attention and reduce morale before an invasion.

We all got complacent relying on big nations with big militaries for punishing such behavior, and they are all in bed with the criminal.

Despite this not being Hezbollah’s best moment, I think they and similar guerrillas are the exact kind of people we should learn from for solutions to Israel and the rest of the problem.

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50 points

Call it for what it is, a terrorist attack.

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If this was the other way around, we’d have global outrage, days of mourning and piles of new weapons for Israel right now. We’d be speaking about one of the worst terrorist attacks in history.

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This was a stupid decision by Israel. They have given the green light to mass attacks through consumer products. Can they really afford to protect all their imported products (electronics, food, water, etc) from every type of attack?

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10 points

They don’t have to, the supply chain is friendlier to them than to Lebanese.

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8 points

The supply chain goes from the source to the consumer. It doesn’t have to be and elaborate and expensive operation to have an effect. Several unrelated individuals poke 1 or 2 tiny holes into some fruits and vegetables during their weekly grocery shopping. Once people start to notice there will be panic about food security. Most people won’t care but enough will that it will cost grocery stores money in unsellable products and increased vigilance. Prices go up. If you can’t trust your fellow human to not sneeze at the buffet table, how are you going to trust your neighbour/worker who lost x relatives to not tamper with your ice cream in the unlocked fridge at the store.

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7 points

There is no intelligence behind genocide.

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30 points

Bingo.

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192 points

So, what Israel is admitting here, is that they could individually pinpoint and target Hamas but instead carpet bombed Palestine into genocide.

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144 points

supply chain attacks are dirty tactics too, they have no idea who is holding 3000 pagers when detonation.

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For smartphones they actually could, they could tie the lipo pack serial number to the imei and work everything out from there.

Then make sure it’s been unlocked via biometrics within a second or so.

It’s very rare that someone else holds a phone to be unlocked for you, though it does happen, still the closest to a targeted kill.

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11 points

They were using pagers and walkie talkies to evade the cellphone tracking that the Israelis were already doing.

They wouldn’t have taken the cell phones.

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25 points

You would have to guarantee those phones would eventually end up in the right person’s hands.

Otherwise if you sabotage 100 phones and only 30 go to your targets, even if you only detonate those 30 there are now 70 phones out there randomly floating around with enough explosives to kill some random person.

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14 points

I use a code to unlock. Biometrics can be unlocked while unconscious or restrained. Fuck that.

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But this only works if you know the identity of every member of the organization, which is impossible, again making this a terror campaign and not a targeted attack. And you have to detonate them all at once or people will throw away the devices. You can’t wait for the 100,00 people who belong to the organization to have just unlocked their devices all at once.

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12 points

They are openly showing that they can do whatever they want.

All the rest is gaslighting so that you’d not be completely sure that that’s what they are saying, thus not so confident in yourself. Another kind of attacking other’s morale.

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They are openly showing that they can do whatever they want.

Yes. And what zionists want to do is terrorism, genocide, etc.

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Oh, not just the zionists… that entire zone is rife with religious violence.

The real problem is religion 🤷

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72 points

They literally knew about the attack before it happened. Genocide was always the primary goal.

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17 points

Israel is obviously behind the attacks but has not taken responsibility for them yet. So no, they’re not admitting anything.

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-40 points

This is the key thing here. People can whine about this attack, but this was targeted and it worked with low collateral damage, which also makes it legal (as in not a war crime).

The problem is everything else that Israel is doing since Oct 7, causing 1/3 of the Palestinian casualties to be children.

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28 points

Human Rights Watch :

Customary international humanitarian lawprohibits the use of booby traps – objects that civilians are likely to be attracted to or are associated with normal civilian daily use – precisely to avoid putting civilians at grave risk and produce the devastating scenes that continue to unfold across Lebanon today. The use of an explosive device whose exact location could not be reliably known would be unlawfully indiscriminate, using a means of attack that could not be directed at a specific military target and as a result would strike military targets and civilians without distinction.

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23 points

It’s low collateral damage the same way a suicide bomber is. So, I guess, your IDF-brained take is suicide bombers are low casualty and precise.

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20 points

It’s a low collateral attack when you see civilians as enemies and want literally all of them dead.

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29 points

The very nature of a supply chain sabotage like this is indiscriminate.

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