The sound of many of them exploding
So if I understand correctly, Israel managed to get a bunch of people in Hezbollah to use pagers and walkie talkies that contained bombs. But they have not been able to gather enough intelligence from control of those communication devices to find and rescue the remaining hostages? And if they weren’t able to catch useful information from those devices, why did the people holding those devices deserve to get blown up?
Oh, they definitely do, in their own way.
The hostages are in Gaza, not Lebanon. If Israel had this level of infiltration with Hamas, it is unlikely this would’ve started in the first place
Hezbollah operates out of Lebanon, and the hostages are in Gaza? They have nothing to do with each other…
Thanks. I honestly haven’t been following it all closely. (I guess that’s obvious from my last comment). But why blow up a bunch of people in Lebanon?
Because tensions between Hezbollah and Israel have been steadily rising since October 7th because of Hzebollah’s objection to how Israel is acting in Gaza. To be clear, prior to October 7th, tensions were already high enough that they would regularly lob bombs at each other. Today’s “escalated” tensions include northern Israel being evacuated due to threats from Hezbolla’s rocket attacks.
At this point, it is clear that the options available to Israel are to either withdraw from Gaza and hope Hezbolla stands down, or end up in a full war with Hezbolla. Historians will say that the war with Hezbolla started months ago, and this was just one attack among many.
So if I understand correctly, Israel managed to get a bunch of people in Hezbollah to use pagers and walkie talkies that contained bombs.
Think about it like, there’s one person who was able to tell the perpetrators of this that a big order of communication devices is being made.
Perpetrators are clearly sophisticated so it’s fair to assume they can throw some skilled team at it.
This attack could be years in the making.
From a spy craft and capabilities standpoint it’s an amazing attack. I’m skeptical that using the devices as bombs is more useful than using them for spying, but who knows? It is super fucked up that random people who happen to be near the targets could be hurt. But between that and the stuxnet attack, it’s safe to say that Israel is capable of crazy sophisticated attacks.
Five years ago, if you had asked me if Israel would be committing terrorist attacks across Palestine, Lebanon and beyond, I would have said absolutely not.
I would have been wrong, even back then, but jesus fucking christ, what an absolute shambles.
How my government supports this state-sponsored terrorism is beyond me.
Hezbollah are enemy combatants. These were ordered by and for Hezbollah. Israel isn’t targeting non-combatants.
They verified that all of the devices were in the possession of Hezbollah before they detonated them?
Is what why their pager terrorism killed a child and caused 2000+ injuries, including dismemberment of other children?
Now they just repeated it, I’m sure with the same disregard for living people they have already shown.
What do you think about Hezbollah reopening the hostilities back in October? Do you believe they could have prevented all this bloodshed if they just kept the border in peace?
Israel isn’t targeting non-combatants
How many thousands of children have been slaughtered by Israeli troops?
If you want to be pedantic, and you’re talking only about this specific attack, children were killed in these pager/walkie-talkie blasts too. Are they enemy combatants to you?
Don’t be a genocide apologist.
Doesn’t really matter if they weren’t targeted if they still ended up dead.
But if they are active duty and have military comms, it’s just called an “attack”, not a “terror attack”, even if the attackers are otherwise terrorists.
Thats bullshit. From what I gather these pagers went out a long time ago, and Isntreal has no way of knowing who is around them when they explode.
Out of the (I’m going to guess) 10,000 people maimed, dismembered, or injured in these two terrorists attacks, how many of them were innocent children and complete bystanders? Isntreal might not be targeting noncombatants, but its sure as fuck killing them, maiming them, and just generally ruining their lives. And its that indiscretion and complete lack of concern that is morally repugnant.
Fuck Isreal.
Hezbollah is a political party as well as a paramilitary group. What if Canada did this to The Oath Keepers or CSPOA or The Proud Boys or another group in the US? They’re all objectively bad people, buy only a few have committed terrorist attacks. Do they all and the people who happen to be around them deserve to die by a foreign government’s actions?
So, what Israel is admitting here, is that they could individually pinpoint and target Hamas but instead carpet bombed Palestine into genocide.
This is the key thing here. People can whine about this attack, but this was targeted and it worked with low collateral damage, which also makes it legal (as in not a war crime).
The problem is everything else that Israel is doing since Oct 7, causing 1/3 of the Palestinian casualties to be children.
It’s low collateral damage the same way a suicide bomber is. So, I guess, your IDF-brained take is suicide bombers are low casualty and precise.
Customary international humanitarian lawprohibits the use of booby traps – objects that civilians are likely to be attracted to or are associated with normal civilian daily use – precisely to avoid putting civilians at grave risk and produce the devastating scenes that continue to unfold across Lebanon today. The use of an explosive device whose exact location could not be reliably known would be unlawfully indiscriminate, using a means of attack that could not be directed at a specific military target and as a result would strike military targets and civilians without distinction.
supply chain attacks are dirty tactics too, they have no idea who is holding 3000 pagers when detonation.
For smartphones they actually could, they could tie the lipo pack serial number to the imei and work everything out from there.
Then make sure it’s been unlocked via biometrics within a second or so.
It’s very rare that someone else holds a phone to be unlocked for you, though it does happen, still the closest to a targeted kill.
But this only works if you know the identity of every member of the organization, which is impossible, again making this a terror campaign and not a targeted attack. And you have to detonate them all at once or people will throw away the devices. You can’t wait for the 100,00 people who belong to the organization to have just unlocked their devices all at once.
I use a code to unlock. Biometrics can be unlocked while unconscious or restrained. Fuck that.
You would have to guarantee those phones would eventually end up in the right person’s hands.
Otherwise if you sabotage 100 phones and only 30 go to your targets, even if you only detonate those 30 there are now 70 phones out there randomly floating around with enough explosives to kill some random person.
They are openly showing that they can do whatever they want.
All the rest is gaslighting so that you’d not be completely sure that that’s what they are saying, thus not so confident in yourself. Another kind of attacking other’s morale.
They are openly showing that they can do whatever they want.
Yes. And what zionists want to do is terrorism, genocide, etc.
Oh, not just the zionists… that entire zone is rife with religious violence.
The real problem is religion 🤷
These guys were still carrying these pagers to the funeral of the last group getting killed by their pagers? 200 IQ move.
Surely the almighty god they pray to five times a day wouldn’t let something like that happen a second time, would he
It’s not genius at all. Torturing and raping people to death, bombing refugee camps, murdering doctors, journalists, lawyers, spreading disease, stopping humanitarian aid, cutting off water, and putting explosives in communications devices isn’t genius. It’s evil, depraved, fascist behaviour that anyone could do with enough power and lack of humanity.
Do you look up to Nazis who put people in death camps genius too?
Meanwhile palestine is a literal fascist dictatorship run by billionaire kleptocrats
Imagine having this wacky hasbara word salad in your head and thinking it sounds like a rational argument.
I am starting to love them
Be careful whom you worship.
Based
On second thought, you’ll be onto some new fad in a day.
