As many Republicans continue to buck their party’s nominee and nominate Vice President Harris for the White House, calls are mounting for former President George W. Bush to denounce former President Trump.
The Harris campaign has touted that more than 200 Republicans have endorsed the vice president, including former Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) and many former Trump insiders. It also includes former vice president to Bush, Dick Cheney.
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He noted that Bush is “apparently above such petty concerns,” pointing to recent reports that said he is not endorsing anyone in the race for the White House. Multiple outlets reported that Bush’s office released a statement that said: “President Bush retired from presidential politics years ago.”
“But it doesn’t work that way. When your country calls, you can’t just roll it over to voicemail because you don’t want to deal with it, especially when you are an elder statesman like an ex-president. Patriotism is for life,” Truax wrote, noting that former President Jimmy Carter said he hopes he can live to cast his vote for Harris.
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Can the Democratic Party stop openly fantasizing that it is the Republican party? Please?
Edit: don’t be mad at me y’all. You DVn MFs are gonna pretend you knew this was a bad sign later on when it turns out I’m right so why not skip ahead to that part now?
You can be ahead of the curve for once
The Democratic party is what it has always been… progressive conservative. What we’re seeing now is that this is much closer to the ideology of traditional Republicans than what the Republican party has become today.
What we’re seeing now is that this is much closer to the ideology of traditional Republican
Right? They’re actively courting moderate Republican voters, but those voters are to the right of right-wing Dem voters. At the same time, Dem Party is punching down at the left side of its own “big tent”, giving in to none of the demands asked.
So far the only thing on offer from Dem party to leftists is derision and shame, and while shaming (and Trump fears) might work short term, if the Dem party won’t budge the leftists will simply leave. Then one morning “moderate” dem voters will wake up to find themselves on the “extreme” left of the party they thought they knew.
That’s not what’s happening here.
All of this is the Republican party dissolving. The “old guard” GOP is splitting from the MAGA-fascists, explicitly and publicly, not just in whispers behind closed doors or off the record and anonymously.
Imagine if the Republican party had split like this two years ago, actually forming up and running a “third party” candidate (I put that in quotes, because in this hypothetical, there would definitely be a fight about whether Trump or the postulated “old guard” candidate would be the “third party” one) in addition to Trump and (at the time) Biden. Splitting the vote like that would have the same effect, putting a Democrat back into the office of President, unless the combination would end up with no candidate reaching 270 electoral votes.
The same thing is essentially happening now, except there’s no third party. Instead of fielding their own candidate, that old guard is throwing in behind Harris. The message being sent is “That’s how bad we think Trump is, so bad that we’re endorsing the Democrat.” It’s permission for life-long Republicans - who have been well-taught to stay in line behind R candidates - to reject fascism.
Of course the Democratic party is going to support and amplify the GOP falling to pieces, and rejecting fascism is a good thing.
That’s not what’s happening here.
I don’t see why we can’t both be right. The R’s are fracturing and the Democratic party is moving rightward as it absorbs the moderate Rs.
Of course the Democratic party is going to support and amplify the GOP falling to pieces.
Yes, they do. My larger point (mentioned in a separate comment) is, after the dust of the election settles, which voters will the Democratic party cater to? They aren’t just gonna let those modeRate voters sit and spin, right? Leftwing Democrats are democrats too and they’ve been hoping for a chance to pull the party left. Things important to leftists are kinda getting ignored this campaign in favor of hard right Dems, and leftists of course must vote for kamala and hope to use their voices, after getting her elected, to try n move the party left.
For leftists, watching the DNCs embrace voters to the right of the entire Democratic party is like watching that dream die in real time.
Nope, the Dems goal is to try and scoop up all the disenfranchised Republicans. They understand that the modern GOP is in their death throes, so they’re happy to shift the Overton Window further right. Republican policy is what their donors want anyway, it’ll be a lot easier to push when they’re a coalition of conservatives and centrists.
The goal for leftists is to start organizing grassroots campaigns for Senators and Representatives now, so that once the Dems have finished feasting on the ghouls’ corpse, we’re ready to fill the power vacuum.
So fucking ridiculous Dems are going after Republican endorsements like this while still ignoring the left wing of their own fucking party.
We don’t need republican votes if we give Dem voters what they want to vote for.
It’s just the donors want the same things as republicans, so moderates will always go right for donors
We need to start treating votes as the important part
We don’t need republican votes if we give Dem voters what they want to vote for.
The elector college is based on States, not population.
Right…
And if you want to see someone flip red states more than Obama, you have to go back to FDR…
Progressive campaigns flip red states
We have literally over a century of election data. We know what works.
It’s just not what the wealthy do saying to both parties want.
Are you still confused about anything
People actually on the left only have one choice, people in-between have two, no matter how progressive you go young people (who tend to be on the left) don’t vote (we also have data from other countries to prove that they don’t vote even when there’s parties that actually want to work for them).
So, where do you think there’s more votes to be gained?
The extreme left is much smaller than the center. And they already have most of those lefty votes.
It would be stupid to alienate centrists over leftists if you are looking to win.
The “extreme left” isn’t what I’m talking about
I’m talking about 08 Obama who would be a down the middle.moderate everywhere else being our most “extreme left” president and flipping a shit ton of red states blue
Healthcare and 99% of the progressive platform is what the average American wants. Who the fucl.is calling that “extreme” except trumpets and Joe Biden level “moderates”?
When Obama was running for President in 08, he had to say he was against gay marriage, signal his approval of school vouchers because he was trying to appeal to people in the center and republicans who were very, very, very unhappy with Bush.
Healthcare and 99% of the progressive platform is what the average American wants.
Those are hardly the only issues before voters today.
Who … is calling that “extreme” except trumpets and Joe Biden level “moderates”?
I don’t see any “moderates” calling that extreme. I’d say it’s just the former.
I’m talking about 08 Obama who would be a down the middle.moderate everywhere else
Agreed.
flipping a … ton of red states blue
In other words, this is a winning strategy!
We don’t need republican votes if we give Dem voters what they want to vote for.
So this is a bit insightful,
We need to start treating votes as the important part
Of course that’s important, but keep in mind how the Electoral College disadvantages States with large populations and gives greater weight (on a per-vote level) to those voting in smaller states. https://www.vox.com/2021/1/11/22224700/electoral-college-joe-biden-donald-trump-bias-four-points-one-chart
So there’s a need to win over voters in particular states, hence the parties shifts to the “center”.
I think being openly endorsed by the collective that laid the groundwork for Project 2025 undermines how serious you are about it. But that is just me. Harris is fine with Dick Cheney and the GOP. The shift right continues. Bush is a piece of trash.
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I’m sure there’s some principles we can jettison or some vulnerable minority we can throw under the bus that can get him to come around.
