People change. The old stereotype is that people tend to be very liberal in high school and college but become very conservative with a mortgage and a couple of kids. I don’t know how often that actually plays out but it makes sense.
When you don’t have anything it’s easy to demand a lot of things from the government. When you have money you want to do everything you can to hold onto it and that means not paying taxes. It flips around again when people are super rich though: then they don’t mind paying taxes (because their effective tax rate is very low). It’s the middle class who get screwed the most.
Have a mortgage and a kid, more left now than I ever was in my past. While recognizing that not everyone wants those things, my living standard really should be the baseline and I don’t mind paying taxes to make it easier for others to achieve it. It does piss me off that most of my taxes go to a military I don’t approve of though.
I’m in Canada so I have the opposite reaction re: the military. Our military is a joke and if the US ever walked away from NATO we would be totally screwed.
Our government has been run by the Liberals since 2015. All they’ve done is destroyed the jobs market and put housing out of reach for ordinary people. Not a fan!
I think if you want to be a socialist you need to acknowledge that sometimes the government will be grossly incompetent and/or corrupt. Frankly, this experience is what has pulled me to the right. I simply don’t have trust in unaccountable institutions anymore.
Having said that, I think most of the damage to our society has been done by incompetent municipal governments which aren’t part of our party system anyway. They’ve squandered billions of dollars, been grifted by scam artist developers, and destroyed our communities with idiotic urban planning ideas that make livable neighbourhoods illegal.
I think if you want to be a socialist you need to acknowledge that sometimes the government will be grossly incompetent and/or corrupt. Frankly, this experience is what has pulled me to the right. I simply don’t have trust in unaccountable institutions anymore.
You watched liberals do liberalism, blamed it on socialists and moved to the right? What on earth are you thinking?
My dad, after a discussion in my young adult years turned political: “if you’re not a liberal when you’re young, you don’t have a heart. If you’re not conservative when you’re an adult, you don’t have a brain.”
Well, dad, I have made it to adulthood with brilliant children and great relationships with them to boot. I’m still a screaming liberal and you’re still a racist that is gargling the balls of a wannabe dictator.
Too lazy to search it right now but I think that quote was originally attributed to Winston churchill
Why marry a turd in the first place? 🤷
I tend to believe people don’t really change but they do tend to show their true colors eventually. However, some of us are not a great judge of character.
Life is also complicated and messy.
I disagree. Some people do change. Learn new things, car accidents change your life, cancer changes your life, new job, …
The only thing constant is change.
Can confirm. I was a hard right conservative during Obama.
Life happens and now I’m an anti-capitalist pro-union progressive.
Some of my best friends acted liberal until they hit 30 and suddenly they were Uber conservative. I’m less concerned with if they were really liberal before and more concerned with what they’re okay with now. No longer friends with any of them because these are basic morality concerns
I’ve dated conservative women a few times, they definitely said things like “I don’t let that come into my relationships” and that never ended up being the fact. And goddamn it they all were REALLY into D/s dynamics. Albeit that’s a quality I typically find in a partner, but tbh they kinda excelled at playing the role phew.
I personality know two very liberal women who married right wing nutjobs, the first one married a full MAGA, proud boys type militia and election denier guy who she thought she could change him (she couldn’t).
The other one thought that political differences didn’t matter in a romantic relationship (it did).
Both ended up in divorce.
Any of those topics that people who care more about society being polite than just tell you to avoid are ones that should be not just discussed but agreed on before making a relationship legally binding. Religion, money, politics. They are each too serious for “agree to disagree” to last long.
she thought she could change him
Has this ever worked?! Like a single time in the history of our species?
Edit: I asked the High Council for Female Affairs (my girlfriend) about the why and her answer is - summarized: At the beginning of a relationship you see things you like and things you don’t like. Some try to quell the bad things and enhance the good things. The emotionally immature ones believe in “a perfect relationship” and actively try to form their partners instead of looking for someone who has less of those bad qualities. They tend to fail spectacularly.
My stepmom lived in one of the most liberal towns in Massachusetts, running a Montessori program before she and my Fox News watching dad got married. (We never actually talked about politics because they “had an agreement,” but I have to assume she was very liberal- probably not very left though)
She started voting republican after a few years :(
People also change, and someone may over the long haul become something you didn’t really expect out of them.
This was my dad. He was always right leaning but then Trump came along and he went die hard political full on Trumpet.
He’s one of the smartest people I know and watching him get more involved and more and more angry was terrifying.
Anyone who knows friends or family that fell down the magat hole understand this
actually you know what, if you can afford not to, please don’t. we really don’t need any more podcasts.
speak for yourself, i find amateur podcasts about real life to be very interesting
Sorry, I can’t relate to this kink. Not shaming, exactly, but I find divorce lawyers more attractive than this.
e: oh shit, I misread this because of the funky font. Carry on, I approve.
‘Decode’. I came from an article that used that word a lot. Plus my eyes are shit.
Wait I’m more confused now how “Sorry, I can’t relate to this kink. Not shaming, exactly, but I find divorce lawyers more attractive than this.” responds to “Decode your Republican husband”
Hm I wonder what the divorce rate is like when broken down along political views
Depends on whether the study is from places likely to be subject to bias like the “conservative” group institute for family values that claims county level polling shows more democrats get divorced (despite conceding the accuracy of state level polling?), or more normal groups that have shown for a decade plus now that red states have higher divorce rates. Top five are:
- Nevada
- Oklahoma
- Wyoming
- Alabama
- Arkansas
