Imagine thinking toxic masculinity is a bigger problem for this issue than beef/dairy subsidies and entrenched market forces. Nice distraction piece, NPR.
I honestly believe the two are related. I think big meat agro business is paying influencers to promote toxic masculinity and push nonsense like “plants emit toxic hormones” on social media.
Ok, but can we not acknowledge that this shit had an effect on the whole manly incel epidemic and those people are trying to take over the most poweful country on the planet and make sure those subsidies never end?
In 2006, when Malcolm Regisford was 10 years old, a Burger King commercial began playing on TVs across the country.
In it, a man in a restaurant looks at a small vegetarian dish, turns to face the camera, and bursts into song: “I am man, hear me roar!” The man flees the restaurant, denounces quiches and tofu — “chick food,” he sings — and quickly joins a throng of other singing men. They march through the streets with signs reading “I am man” and hamburgers held high. “The Texas double Whopper. Eat like a man, man,” a voice says.
Incels gave up on being “manly enough”. Their whole schtick is that its “un-fair” that “only the manliest men get laid”, and that they believe they deserve sex just for being born with a dick.
I’m not saying all the “red-pill”/“sigma-pill”/“incel” groups/narratives don’t feed into eachother, but you’ve gotta realize these people are already in the minority. It’s not their influence keeping the subsidies going, it’s the public’s wallets keeping demand just high-enough to “justify” the subsidies, and the fact that the subsidies are backed by decades of established law.
There is no point trying to reason with the die-hards that will keep on consuming long after increased prices drive the rest of us away from beef consumption. The subsidies that keep their bull-shit lifestyles affordable and convenient should be the focus of our efforts.
Let them waste more money on being single and lonely. Their pocket-books will shout at them louder and more convincingly than the rest of us ever could.
I’m not saying all the “red-pill”/“sigma-pill”/“incel” groups/narratives don’t feed into eachother, but you’ve gotta realize these people are already in the minority.
Minority or not, they are in politics and gaining power everywhere the right wing is surging and tbey are the same people in favour of all those subsidies. That said, i agree tbat the rest of the general public needs to change their consumption habits to make a real difference. I still think it’s worth pointing out the manly beef eating misogynist connection though, especially in advertising and its pernicious effects on society.
If it’s purely on subsidies, then why, as stated in the article, are men consuming disproportionately more beef than women? Am I missing out on my secret man meat tax cut?
Yeah, i think that research might be missing some context…
Meat consumption by males goes up when you have a developed nation, it’s almost purely economic, stupid to try to make this part of the culture war considering how small these communities are and their median ages.
“Economic factors explain the influence of human development since meat production costs are higher than plant-origin food production. Nations with more resources provide more options for individuals to buy and eat beef. The findings build on comparable studies with psychological traits and help rule out reference group effects as a possible reason.”
Has anyone here ever heard of this website? News-Medical.net ? Unless it’s an actual study, and not some BS where data is cherry-picked from certain sample groups, I wouldn’t pay it any mind.
Toxic masculinity (a.k.a. patriarchy) most definitely affects men eating more meat.
Subsidies for industrial beef production greatly affects it.
But all of this is due to the lack of societal/political change.
And, in all honesty, if it was not for the pollution created by the US military and “big business”, we’d be on our 2ay to a much greener Earth already, without having to affect far more change.
Yes, you’re missing that subsidies ensure the same amount of beef gets produced no matter the demand. In fact, that amount is set higher than demand. Demand is artificially increased due to the high availability and low prices resulting from these policies. Removing the subsidies would lower both Availability and Demand, as the lowered availability would increase prices.
TL;DR: Consumption gender ratios have NOTHING to do with the amount of beef that is being produced, nor, therefore, its impacts on the environment.
I can only restate the obvious so many times, and I HAVE already restated the facts on this at least twice prior to your question. Are you dense, or just insincere?
How about everyone who says it’s the job of the little guy to fix the climate problem kicks a rock and governments, shipping companies, cruise lines, airlines, industrial farmers, etc PUT DOWN THE FORK.
Every individual in every country is not responsible for allowing year over year profits in industries that ignore the writing on the wall.
Beef consumption at current levels is unsustainable, I agree with your general principle but you’re saying this as if everyone can continue to consume tons of beef every year. Whether industry, regulation, or individual action: you’re not going to eat as much beef.
This isn’t like recycling
So if that’s the problem, government should step in and limit beef production. Why rely on everyone to “do the right thing” to solve societal problems? That’s why government exists.
I don’t disagree, and in fact it is a huge part of the problem and we actively subsidize its production let alone limiting it. However the end result will be the same, so it’s not like saying “why should I have to recycle/deal with waste because companies are making single use products” because unlike in that case the alternative still has you eating less meat.
Consider checking out this entertaining and informative video about how wild things get https://youtu.be/XusyNT_k-1c?si=K_gxkl0X60kFmvw0.
Overseas nations grow animal feed in the US and ship it halfway across the world to feed their cattle. It’s absurd.
You can change what you do without input or veto from anyone else.
That is not true for governments.
You can do both. You can go vegan for the environment (if abuse of animals isn’t enough for you) AND vote for a/lobby the government for larger sweeping action.
Sure.
At the same time, I can enjoy a great steak every now and again, and I can travel with my children to make sure they know their great grandmother in a different country every two years. And I can do those things and not feel bad because 80% of the time we do our part. Corpos, by comparison, are not pulling their weight, and they are already most of the problem.
I totally agree with this notion, everybody should do what they realistically can, and it will look different for everyone. Some can be vegan and it will work out great, others will struggle to give up meat. Some can bike/walk to work everyday, or avoid air travel, and some can’t. Anyone doing well 80% of the time is probably doing just fine.
All that said, it is worth remembering that these industries are (mostly) funded by consumers, and while giant corporations are obviously the way bigger issue, consumers have more power than we often give ourselves credit for to restrict those companies. In a hypothetical world where everyone stops eating beef, it isn’t like the beef industry continues to pollute. They will directly produce the amount of beef people will buy. Even if everyone has their steak now and then but doesn’t make it an every night staple, that alone would already do a lot to limit the emissions of the beef industry. It’s not a whole solution, but it is the one that is easiest and most obtainable, because convincing the government to stop subsidizing beef is not on the agenda of any major politicians at least in the states, even if I wish it were.
I made this decision a couple years ago. Gave up milk (switched to oat milk), but I still eat cheese and yogurt. I eat probably 20% of the red meat per year that I used to.
You don’t have to be a rabid vegan to make an impact.
This is such a good attitude! I cut all meat out of my diet a long time ago, and when I mention it, people often say something like “I’d love to but I couldn’t commit to never having meat again”.
You don’t have to! It’s amazing if you do, but you’re still gonna make a sizable impact on the cause you care about if you reduce your intake.
It’s odd that people don’t have this with other issues, the idea of “reducing purchases of disposable plastic” or “buying fairtrade more” make total sense to people, but food is still often cashed out in these “all or nothing” terms.
100% spot on. I’m so tired of everything needing to be 100% or 0%. a 80% cut has an impact! so does 50%. we all need to do what we can, and not taking an extreme position doesn’t make someone a sellout or faker or whatever. every little bit helps
I think a lot of people have a problem admitting that the consumption of certain things causes harm, which is why they turn it into an all or nothing decision. But I believe in the principle of harm reduction, and not letting perfect be the enemy of ‘better’. Or put in a more positive light, ‘every little bit helps’.
Vegans are the problem? What problem? Causing climate change, or eating too much red meat? Your comment makes no sense.
Doesnt matter. Vegan hate does not follow logic. They brainwash our kids, they poison our wells, theyre not real men, anything goes.
They aren’t the problem, but a good 10% of them are loud and annoying as hell, with no one wanting to hear them. They’re Karen’s.
You don’t have to be a rabid vegan to make an impact.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?tab=chart&country=~OWID_WRL
the fact is that the industry continues to grow.
Not eating beef is pretty easy. Lots of alternatives.
I dropped beef and pork and stayed with turkey and fish.
Found a bunch of plant based options to replace the beef texture too.
It’s really just some stupid mindset about STEAK that many Americans have.
I’m not vegan, and not trying to say people should be vegan. I love me a good steak, but I was out with some vegan friends, and we went to a vegan restaurant. They served me something that was doing an excellent impression of a steak. Good enough that if I knew which various plant protein they were using, I’d make that at home.
Burgers they have down these days, and eating veggies burgers allows me to have more meals a week without meat. Same for most sausages. I don’t know how they did it, but I had a vegan brat that had a snappy “skin.”
tl;dr because of toxic masculinity
It’s macho to eat lots of red meat, get high cholesterol, and die early from heart disease.
Nah, how about “fish is expensive and chicken is unethical”? Meanwhile, beef is subsidized all to hell, and NPR is focused on the wrong issue. We’re long past the point where it looks like they are just running interference for industries that don’t want to change.
Men who refuse to acknowlege there is a problem with beef aren’t the ones having a problem with attempting to eat less of it. Its market forces all the way down; Less available and/or more expensive beef is what it will take to wean the die-hards.
Not here in the midwestern US, nor when/where I was growing up on the Southern California coast. Where are you that fish is ever, let alone often cheaper than beef?