Itโ€™s me again with another question for recommendation ๐Ÿ™ˆ This time I am searching for a new Email-Provider:

Currently I am using mailbox.org (privacy-friendly provider based in Germany). Since my subscription is comming to an end there, I tought about switching to proton mail-plus. What I like about them is, that they have an easy way of creating alias-emails and also support the option to use your own domain.

But maybe you gals and guys have another great provider which offers good features for a good price.

Also: I dont need Cloud-Storage or anything like that, so just mail is fine.

Thx in regards :)

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Personally i use proton with my own domain

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same here. Proton with own domain!

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I use Proton and really like it, but I donโ€™t know how to go about using my own domain (though I am interested in it). How difficult is it for someone without webdev and self hosting experience to get set up?

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Step 1. Get your own domain. I bought from porkbun. This was a difficult choice for me, having heard /read cases of domain hijacking by unethical domain sellers. Porkbun had decent reviews. Step2. Follow instructions on protonmail custom domains. Wait for all the greyed out tags to turn green. I was impatient and my domain was marked as spam by Spamhaus. Had to open ticket with them to get off their list step3: enjoy!

additional steps. I moved my dns provider to cloudflare if you wish to go that route.

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I only know 2 good providers: Proton and Tuta.

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do they allow you to create anonymous accounts by paying with monero? And connected via TOR browser?

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I think tuta does

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Just a reminder: with Proton you canโ€™t use IMAP for your email client, you either need their mail client (mobile) or bridge app (desktop).

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While technically true, bridge is ultimately an IMAP server you run yourself โ€ฆ and they do have good reasons for this design.

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do you know theit reason?

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Imap and end to end encryption are not possible at the same time.

Bridge exposes an IMAP interface but encrypts everything as Proton would, had you used the web client.

It solves a technical limitation.

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Somehow I always end up hating Proton. I was using TOR Browser to create an account and they wouldnโ€™t let me. I had to give either another email or my phone number, and Iโ€™m not willing to do either. I even tried creating a throwaway with mailbox.org (works using TOR) and sending the confirmation email there but it never arrived, so I gave up on Proton.

I also tried Tuta and they wouldnโ€™t let me create an account at all using TOR. So eventually Iโ€™m sticking with mailbox.org

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This also provides you with more freedom as in freedom as you arenโ€™t forced to use their Clients/Apps.

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Yeah I think itโ€™s cool that you can even take control of your private keys. Although Iโ€™m thinking it also adds another point of failure / exposure if not done correctly.

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Yeah. One of the major reasons I never plan to use Proton or Tutanota is that none of my email apps will work and I will rely on whatever interface they provide.

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Has any more evidence ever been produced to show Tuta is a honeypot? The guy who made the original claim is in jail for 14 years for passing on secrets while he was director of RCMP intelligence.

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+1 for Migadu

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Thank you for introducing me to these, they look great.

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Why did Proton adding a Bitcoin wallet cause you to look elsewhere? If itโ€™s a product youโ€™re not interested in, just donโ€™t use it. Otherwise youโ€™re stuck using providers that offer exactly what you want, no more and no less, which seems like such a narrow needle to thread, youโ€™ll never find something or canโ€™t stick with it for long.

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I dont think it matters if an email service is a honeypot because if you want E2EE communication then use Signal, not email. And if you are sending emails to other email providers then thereโ€™s probably not E2EE and itโ€™s unecessary to be a honeypot because the metadata can be collected anyway very easily. Almost all data passes through Google/Microsoft/Amazon/Cloudflare.

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