92 points

For me it’s the climate - no point in bringing a child in a world with a society that will inevitably collapse and a possible world war over land that’s still inhabitable.

Adoption maybe - but for me more children only equal more future suffering - and if not for my children because it’ll be somehow possible to shield them from the worst then for a couple of others that have to suffer in exchange when western countries pull up the drawbridge and let the global south deal with the mess they made for those countries…

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16 points

Man, I just hate children and want none of that. A dog is enough responsibility for me

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1 point

Having to take something out for a walk everyday?!? Even that’s to much.

Cats are where it’s at!

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39 points

I’m a millennial… aren’t we a bit old for this shit anyway?

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4 points

Eeeeh, it’s still technically possible.

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We’re going to be retiring soon, some of the older millennials, and they’re still going to be telling us to have more kids lol.

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13 points

Unless you’re talking about FIRE, no: the oldest millennials are in their early 40s and have two decades to go before traditional retirement age.

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I think early 40s is a fine time to retire, if you don’t have to support your children and you’re in a dual income situation.

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19 points

As a Class of 2000, aka OG Millennial, wtf are you talking about?

We’re in our early 40s.

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10 points

That’s what I’m saying! Too old. Did you know the medical term for a pregnancy after 35 is geriatric pregnancy? Ya bro, we’re getting committed to the old folks home soon here, you and I.

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And some of us are getting ready to leave the work force, that was my only point.

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5 points

The youngest millennials aren’t even 30 yet, and there’s lots of places where most people have children in their early 30s nowadays

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86 points

Also, *gestures wildly around themself* look at the state the world is in. Which sane person would want to bring a child into this fucked up world?

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-21 points

A lot of people that aren’t doomers.

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22 points

I don’t own a house with fortified bunker and a literal ton of food. Can’t buy a house to begin with. Being a doomer is for the rich.

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-7 points

Why do you need a house, a bunker? Being a doomer is being pessimistic about global problems, not prepping for the apocalypse.

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0 points

A lot of people that aren’t doomers. headed towards doom.

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2 points

lol ok. You’re looking at everything and then arguing that the people who notice things are bad.

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23 points

Well, you and similar people know the world is fucked up, but there’s a lot more people out there swimming in the ignorance of simply believing everything is fine or that the people raising problems are catastrophising and that everything will somehow work out.

Those people will keep having kids even if basically every sign pointed to the certainty of that kid’s life ending early during some kind of traumatic existential struggle.

There’s just a percentage of society who simply don’t put in much thought beyond their immediate existence and future. That’s almost definitely bad in the grand scheme of things, but I guess on the flip side, they potentially live happier lives in ignorance before getting blipped out of existence.

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3 points

I mean, 50% of humanity doesn’t have an inner monologue- they’re essentially just moving from one impulse to another.

Half of everyone. There’s no chance for this species without radical change.

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3 points

What’s the deal with inner monologue??

i have 1 until i learnt not everyone has one. what impact are there if one doesn’t have an inner monologue or voice in their heads…sans the schizophrenics

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2 points

If you’re talking about aphantasia that’s less than 5% of the population, not half

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4 points

Don’t confuse lack of an inner monologue with not thinking or not thinking critically. I lack a monologue when not doing verbal tasks, but I think visually/spacially/relationally instead for other tasks or when in rest or in the experience of my own consciousness. I pinky swear I’m not a philosophical zombie during that time:)

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For god’s sake – people who don’t hear their own voice in their own head are “just moving from one impulse to another”? People require an inner monologue, as opposed to seeing things in their imagination or what have you, in order to be capable of conscious thought? Are we seriously at the point where we’re saying “anyone who doesn’t experience the world the same way I do is no better than an animal”?

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18 points

i see nightmares that i can’t take care of my pets. a kid would destroy me, not just financially.

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