16 points

Never heard of this, interesting. Thanks for sharing

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12 points

Sounds an awful lot like Desert

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16 points

The name Deseret derives from the word for “honeybee” in the Book of Mormon.

A remarkable coincidence that it’s also in the middle of the desert

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4 points

How were the borders of the area they wanted decided on?

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8 points

I’m pretty sure it’s just the entire American great basin

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5 points

Hunh, you’re right. Plus (of course!) a whole bunch of sea access.

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I recently learned that the Mormons settled and resettled in several states before finally staying in Utah. It’s quite an interesting story, especially given that most religions are so ancient that it’s very hard to track their origins today.

Johnny Harris has great videos about it, this one for instance.

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Yeah, they kept getting kicked out. Mostly for being bad neighbors - or at least not being able to read the room.

Seriously, American Puritans. They’d move en masse to an area, try to impose their religion on everyone, piss everyone off, get driven out, then cry about it.

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My history teach said the multiple wives thing displeased their non-Mormon neighbors.

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That was one thing. They tried to keep that hidden.

In Ohio, the local Mormon-run bank went under - so did a lot of others at the time but they were being just as greedy and stupid as everyone else.

In Missouri, they were actually on the moral high ground but walking in new to town and telling your new neighbors that they’re going to hell for slavery isn’t a good idea. Also, they tried to buy up all the land and move enough people in to take over the elected positions.

In Illinois, one of the final straws was when Joseph Smith, as mayor of Nauvoo, declared a rival newspaper a public menace and had their press destroyed. Legal at the time but, again, great way to piss off your neighbors.

The history of the church is basically a string of grifts, arrogance, misogyny, and racism. Right up to today but now you can add homophobia and transphobia.

The cherry on top is BYU telling its incoming freshmen that they have to study an infamous speech from “Apostle” Jeffrey R Holland, who used a bunch of dog whistles to call for violence under the guise of “religious freedom.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/byu-freshmen-controversial-musket-fire-speech-mormon-lgbtq-utah-rcna143891

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4 points

Would have controlled Lake Tahoe and most headwaters of the Sierras. Sneaky

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