cross-posted from: https://sopuli.xyz/post/16759425

https://t.me/astrapress/63733

Lithuania installed “dragon’s teeth” and mines in front of the bridge on the border with the Kaliningrad region

“This is a precautionary step to ensure more effective defense,” the Lithuanian Defense Ministry said on Twitter. The ministry explained that the Queen Louise Bridge is Russian property, so Lithuania cannot install “dragon’s teeth” and mines on the bridge itself, but only in front of it.

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I do not like the invasion either but putting landmines on fields and roads is something else

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I don’t get the downvotes. Landmines are a huge issue. The balkan countries are still struggling with them 30 years after the wars. Cambodia, Vietnam, Iraq… every “theater” of war, where landmines have been used are, still struggling with them decades and decades more after. Ukraine too will suffer for decades.

If there is an inevitable military need for them, there is no alternative. But they should not be used lightly and i am fairly certain, that Lithuania is not doing so lightly either.

The big problem is, that for now the only reliable technique to remove landmines from an area is to dig up the area step by step. This is extremely costly and still dangerous, despite all effort in using robots, animals detecting the explosives and so on. So i hope Lithuania triple counted the mines they put and keeps that record very well.

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The problem doesn’t really come from small fields like this. It’s when you hand them out by the truckload and tell every unit to go wild. Russia has had numerous cases where they didn’t even tell their own friendly units where the mines were, so I’d say that’s a much bigger issue than this little where the whole world knows about it.

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The problem is a little more deeper than that - the very nature of mines is that they are indiscriminate. Whether you’re one force, another force, a civilian, or an animal - it does it’s job and goes boom without any further intervention by a human.

The remainder of your point is absolutely valid, but mines are a shit idea from the outset. Area denial is indeed a tactic, but alliances and boundaries change, and what was once a defensive line may be a suburban district in a hundred years time, until a future innocent party detonates one underfoot and is killed or severely maimed.

I thought mines were prohibited under the Geneva Suggestions, but perhaps there’s a loophole somewhere.

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Landmines should be against the Geneva Convention.

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Unfortunately, landmines are a small part of a large problem: unexploded munitions last centuries. Artillery, rockets, grenades, mines, explosives, even large ammo dumps can stick around and explode decades later.

Here’s an active one from WW1 that is still uninhabitable because of the danger:

https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/red-zone/

The intense fighting and shelling near the tiny town of Verdun has permanently altered the region surrounding the Meuse River in northeastern France. The environmental destruction left by the battle led to the creation of the Zone Rouge—the Red Zone. The Zone Rouge is a 42,000-acre territory that, nearly a century after the conflict, has no human residents and only allows limited access.

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It is more for a show I guess, which is not to say they shouldn’t do it.

Surely first step in invasion over the bridge would be to just hit that bridge with some rocket…?

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It’s definitely a message, not an actual defensive fortification.

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I think it can be for two things at once. Definetly more for show, but increases annoyance/makes a possible invasion more annoying.

Obviously I imagine they have a way to blow up the bridge too which sounds far more effective.

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I’d love to see !noncredibledefense@sh.itjust.works do a meme week about Russia haplessly trying to mount an invasion from Kaliningrad lmao

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100% for sending a message.

That bridge is pre-sighted for artillery or has its own dedicated missile just waiting for someone to hit the proverbial button.

If it’s not, then that’s just bad planning.

The real question is “do they wait for someone to try crossing before blowing it up, or just do it the moment Russian forces twitch in that direction?”

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9 points

if sappers can get to that bridge, then it can be just mined and if needed removed at milisecond notice. much more reliable, faster and more efficient than artillery

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That big Z logo is creepy

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