All undecided voters in a U.S. swing states focus group hosted by pollster Frank Luntz said President Biden should be replaced as the Democratic nominee after watching his first presidential debate against former President Trump.

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Well, at least now they know how the rest of us feel about undecided voters

e; But yeah, Biden was not good (and that is not good for democracy in America and the general well being of the rest of the world)

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Hahahha. Your not wrong.

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FYI, I edited my comment a bit while you were replying, I’m still not wrong (imo haha) but you should be aware

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Still agree

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I gotta say, I recognized both of those debate performances. One of them’s the angry grandfather who’s always complaining that his foreign neighbor is stealing his trash; the other’s the nice grandpa who calls you by your cousin’s name, then gives you $5 to go to a movie.

I wouldn’t want either to babysit my kids - Trump because he’d steal my TV and throw out my avocados; Biden because he’d fall down the stairs and let the kids stay up to midnight eating ice cream.

But a President’s job isn’t really to be a subject matter expert on every policy. He’s there to assemble a good team of policy matter experts and balance the needs of normal people against the power of megacorporations. And we have the rare opportunity to judge both grandpas on their past performance: Jared Kushner, Secretary of Everything; Janet Yellen vs Steve Mnuchin; Rick Perry vs Jennifer Granholm; Jeff Sessions & William Barr vs Merrick Garland.

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Ehh, I’d say he was more boringly safe, especially for a lot of his in-country policy stuff.

And that’s a good thing. The presidency is not meant to be glorious, exciting, or full of media magnet bombshells. Those generally mean that something has gone wrong.

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by pollster Frank Luntz

Do better, Axios.

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I don’t know the specific problem with that pollster but the general message of the headline still stands IMO.

Trump’s debate performance was awful, but so was Biden’s, and somehow because this country is weird as hell Biden is held to a much higher standard than Trump while also being immensely unpopular.

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No. The message does not stand at all.

Frank Ian Luntz (born February 23, 1962) is an American political and communications consultant and pollster,[1][2] best known for developing talking points and other messaging for Republican causes. His work has included assistance with messaging for Newt Gingrich’s Contract with America and public relations support for pro-Israel policies in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. He advocated use of vocabulary crafted to produce a desired effect, including use of the term death tax instead of estate tax, and climate change instead of global warming.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz

This man is a propagandist. Do not use him as a source for anything. You might as well just listen to the Trump campaign if you’re going to listen to him.

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Damn. Axios really should have mentioned it is a partisan pollster. That’s disappointing.

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Trump’s debate performance was awful, but so was Biden’s, and somehow because this country is weird as hell Biden is held to a much higher standard than Trump while also being immensely unpopular.

Trump’s performance as a debater was awful. He ignored the questions put to him, and frequently lied through his teeth. But, you could put a clip from this debate alongside a clip from his debate with Hillary 8 years ago, and not really see much of a difference.

The reason people are freaking out is that Biden’s age was on full display here. His stutter was much more visible, his voice was raspy at times, and he frequently couldn’t finish his thoughts before the mic went off. We also have a long history of his time in government to know how he used to be.

If this election turns into a referendum on Biden’s age, he loses. Even though Trump is only 3 years younger. Trump doesn’t show it.

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I mean a lot of the time Biden’s sentence’s were incoherent. Reminding me of the Trump shark type blabbering. Disappointing. Although it seems he was ill.

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And yet a senile knocking on death’s door old man is still the objectively better option than Donald Trump. I just can’t understand how people have forgotten who this guy is and what he did to screw every American for his own ego and interests.

This debate (which I didn’t watch) was a spectacle. We all know both of these farts are not fair presidential candidates for Americans. It’s disgusting and gut wrenching.

If you’re undecided, all you need to do is bypass your social media feed and biased news sources and search for Trump presidential accomplishments | Biden presidential accomplishment. You can also check Politifact to observe their lies (here’s the result from the debate) and presidential promises kept and broken - Trump | Biden.

The problem is the vast majority of people don’t care or aren’t aware of actual policy and legislation that happens in DC. They go by a vibe. And they go by who’s the best orator (see: Obama). And, yeah, Biden did not pass the vibe check last night. But he’s still that guy you work with whom you hate to be around because he’s awkward and smells bad but he’s not firable because he’s a decent keeps-to-himself dude and gets shit done better than most and your company is better with him than without him.

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Aren’t they both “senile knocking on death’s door old man”

Clown fucking world.

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No, the immediate problem is that we know that people make decisions based on a vibe and who orates better and (out of all of the qualified people in the country) we still hang our hat (and the future of the country) on a poor orator with a bad vibe. It’s 2016 all over again and it seems like nobody’s learned a thing.

This shouldn’t be a hard race at all. Why are we insisting on handicapping ourselves like this?

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Biden did alright imo. People keep disregarding the substance of his arguments over his age.

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Biden did well after 930pm.

I bet most people only watched the first 30 minutes. In fact, I bet most people went into their phones and stopped listening full-time within 10 minutes.

Biden was very bad at the start. Biden figured out the flow of things by 10pm but I think that was too late.

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People keep disregarding the substance of his arguments

Speaking as someone who thinks that much of the doomerism around the debate is premature…

These debates aren’t about substance. They’re about optics. And Biden didn’t put on a good show last night. The only saving grace is that he was up against Trump.

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Put last nights Biden up against any option from the previous primaries. Even Harris. He looked and responded exceptionally poor last night and anyone else would have been a better option.

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Limp dick grandpas did a thing y’all!!!

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