No, I don’t want to buy one. This came out of a discussion about my brother, who is so much weirder than me if you can believe it, who owns a real human skull.

I don’t know how he got it. I don’t know where he got it from, maybe this company, more importantly, I don’t know why he would want such a thing. He is not a scientist, he works in IT. He did get an MFA in theater, wanted to be a professional theater director and loves Shakespeare, I can’t believe the reason was because he wanted Hamlet to be super authentic.

We’re not all that close, so it really hasn’t come up in conversation. I only know about it because he posted elsewhere a while back that he was on a Zoom meeting at work and he showed it off and couldn’t understand why everyone stopped laughing and got silent. So obviously he thinks it’s cool to own it.

It used to be a person. I’m an atheist and I don’t believe in an afterlife, but that’s just basic disrespect.

Anyway… how can you ethically source a skull and then sell it on the open market?

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Anyway… how can you ethically source a skull and then sell it on the open market?

You pay an intern in your marketing department to write “ethically sourced” on all your customer facing surfaces.

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That’s my concern here. Like how would they know if this isn’t similar to China harvesting organs from executed prisoners?

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Not knowing just adds spice!

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In theory? It’s all about traceability and consent, preferably with a third party auditing system. A good skull salesman should be able to provide you with documentation of the origin of your skull and the consent obtained, as well as a contact at their third-party auditing firm. if the skull is fair trade, they should also be able to provide evidence that they are paying above market rates for their skull harvesters.

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Thank you kind sir and/or madame for providing a great deal more education on the human skull trade than I had ever intended to pursue!

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I used to teach anatomy 20+ years ago. Sadly many of the skulls are sourced from the poorest people in impoverished countries. Companies pay a death benefit to the families or to the individual and then “harvest” the skull after death. They used to be priced based on the number of teeth and the presence of mandibular/maxillary degeneration. The highest priced skulls would come from donors and would have all their teeth.

Here’s a link to the UCLA scandal if you want to get a feeling for how scummy the entire industry is

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That’s the sort of thing I was thinking, unfortunately.

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So is there a guy that has to chop someone’s head off, strip all the flesh and then scoop the brain out??

I’m kinda hoping there’s an acid dip they do instead, cause that would be an awful job…

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Most places to do it with insects. Sometimes they just leave them out but any organization with volume will use beetles.

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That’s… almost worse. Ew.

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That is fascinating - thank you for taking the time to share :)

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Holy shit, this has to be one of the most insane things I’ve ever learned

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Reminds me of the mummy

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There’s probably someone else somewhere who has a “real human brain in a jar”, a couple people with “new” kidneys, corneas, a liver…

Gotta maximize profits!

😞

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Pickled brain

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Okay… But… Outside of conflicts of interest, wouldn’t those families be worse off without this unconventional life insurance policy?

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Are they any better off with it? I don’t the current rates but it used to be around a few pounds of rice. It’s desperation rates for desperate people.

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If they aren’t better off, why wouldn’t they just say no?

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TBF most people already have an ethically sourced human skull.

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I didn’t consent to having a skull. Though it’s kinda grown on me.

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Wait, you’ve had a skull grow on you? You’re boned

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Answer: They don’t.

The majority of these skulls are from people who donated their body to science. But instead of going to science, it goes to companies like this one that sell them. Legal, yes. Ethical, no.

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Source that “most” are like this?

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Or any

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How about a source for any of it

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Doesn’t matter. Onus is on them to prove its ethically sourced and they fail miserably at that.

Nowhere on their website does it detail they have any sort of processes to ensure the skulls are sourced ethically. It doesn’t seem like any skulls are traceable or that any consent was given for the skulls to be sold commercially.

In fact this statement from their president seems to indicate what OP is saying is accurate.

All natural bone specimens are legally and ethically obtained. Suppliers World Wide send skulls that would otherwise be discarded or destroyed, as they are collected.

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John Oliver had an episode where the main story answers your question.

Basically, if you donate your body “to science” there’s a chance it could end up with such a company. I wouldn’t call it ethical, but as of now it’s legal.

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Well that’s fucked. If I donate my body to science, it certianly isnt so my skull can sit in some dudes living room

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There’s this woman who donated her body to science when she died ended up in the army being blown by IEDs.

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You say that like it’s a bad thing?

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I’d be totally okay with that, as long as he attempted necromancy

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