Anyone who thinks Jackson wasnât a pedophile is willfully blind.
Being a great artist doesnât stop you from being a very sick man. His upbringing certainly is an extenuating circumstance, but it doesnât change the nature of his relationships with young boys.
Edit: to the people defending him, I put it to you that you are blinded by stardom. If any other man was fascinated with young boys in the same way, youâd think they were extremely weird at best and probably think much worse.
Is there a single viable claim against him?
From what I recall it was parents trying ton get money and nobody confirmed he abused them, even McAuley Cullen.
Leaving Neverland https://g.co/kgs/8Bqcp49
I watched this not just with an open mind, but like you and many others here, with the mind that people were colluding to extort money from Jackson. This completely changed my mind.
I mean, I get it. If one of my favourite artists was accused of being a pedo, Iâd defend them and say the claims canât be proven etc.
In this case, I think itâs safe to say that whilst he wasnât a full blown child rapist, that he clearly had an attraction to young boys that went much further than just fantasy.
I canât stand MJ music so he is far from an idol of mine.
I just havenât seen any evidence or convictions to claim he was a pedo. Even in this documentary, that Iâve seen a while ago.
In this case, I think itâs safe to say that whilst he wasnât a full blown child rapist, that he clearly had an attraction to young boys that went much further than just fantasy.
What with the whole Wonderland, seems like it, yeah.
However⌠was that attraction sexual, per se?
. Being a weirdly childish dude who wants to play with children seems way less worse than pretending to be a weird childish dude in order to rape kids.
His father was a complete piece of shit and treated him horribly and also he was never really allowed a proper childhood.
So I have heard some people argue that perhaps he was not a pedophile, but rather just really mentally ill, partly believing to be a kid that just wanted child playmates. Still wrong for an adult to act like this, but perhaps there was no sexual misconduct.
Not sure what to believe and perhaps I just donât want him to be a villain, but I would like to hear if there is some concrete evidence.
The thing is - there is no evidence of sexual misconduct. Heâs been investigated by just about everyone from local cops to the FBI since the early 90s, and despite the outcry thereâs never been evidence. Considering how our justice system dealt with another high-profile figureâs history of sexual abuse, I have to believe something concrete wouldâve turned up by now.
Inappropriate? Absolutely. Illegal? Pedophilia? Doubtful. I mean, provided we genuinely believe in âInnocent until proven guiltyâ idealâŚ
Nah I donât think he did. Two reasons
Every accusation is super weak and some get walked back. Michael Jackson suffered from toxic masculinity, he wasnât allowed to play with children because he was a man. Society is the issue there.
Second reason that sells it, Macaulay Culkin, Hollywood fucked this dude up heâs literally talked about it and he says Michael was legit.
I donât really care for his music and his behavior was immature at best (all can be chaulked up to his father.) but Iâll believe evidence of his misdeeds when I see it. Every single accusation was walked back and admitted to be pressured by parents or lawyers for an out of court settlement and every investigation, including by the FBI found zero wrong doing. If he had inappropriately touched a child weâd have some evidence about it.
There are probably just as many people coming out to say they accused him just for the money than people actually accusing him. Iâm not saying heâs innocent, but iâm pretty sure i know him just as well as you do. Maybe you are willfully blind because you just want him to be a paedophile
My guess is: the pedophilia. Just a guess though.
Did he ever get convicted over anything? Even though i wonât say he was not a pedophile, is there actually any evidence that he was? Are people really that needy for hate?
I had a roommate who was actually hating on me for listening to micheal jackson for that âreasonâ. Back then i sadly was afraid enough to even âassociateâ with a person âlike thatâ via listening to his music. Pathetic, i know.
I wish he was still alive.
Nope. And the kids all say he never did anything sexual. He was just a very talented strange guy with serious issues from growing up.
You recon those kids just say nothing happened to keep the image of MJ in a positive light? You know, because he is already dead anyway? So persecuting him wouldnât do anything.
Might have gotten some hush money under the table or something. So its a win-win.
He made himself white.
Imagine the fallout if they all did that.
Edit:fuck youâre all boring on here.
He likely did have vitiligo, but as far as I know, it doesnât lighten all your skin gradually and evenly. I donât know if he did do something about it on purpose. Youâd think if he did, at least some other people with vitiligo might choose the same optionâŚ
But either way, I donât begrudge him the choice if it was something he did to deal with vitiligo. Honestly, I donât know if I would begrudge him the choice even if he didnât have vitiligo. It would certainly be an odd choice, with some social consequences, but it would be his choice.
His skin changing to white was only part of it too, he also had plastic surgery to make his facial features shaped more in-line with facial features common to white skinned populaces. His nose infamously took too much work to get the way he wanted it and ended up with problems later. Could be entirely co-incidental that the plastic surgery he wanted happened to make him look more like someone that was born genetically white skinnedâŚ
But taken together, it does seem pretty likely he wanted to identify as white.
If that was the most noteworthy thing about him, people would probably have been upset for a while, but got over it at some point. I mean âBlack Alienâ has certain done more to purposefully change his appearance and while we see him pop up on the internet every now and then, we tend to go back to fogetting he exists between mentions.
But Michael Jackson is noteworthy for reasons that would hold just as much merit if that part of his life completely never happened.
I, for one, am not convinced of any of the pedophilia stuff, but alot of people are. To me, the descriptions of activities the kids gave sounds so much more like a stunted childhood than anything sexual. But, assuming they were true, itâs much closer, but still wouldnât be the most noteworthy thing about him.
He was just that much better than the next closest musician. That he could get through both those news stories coming up all the time, and still have most people think positively of him.
He never identified as white, he was proud of being black. His facial surgeries werenât about looking more white, but more beautiful, which due to white supremacy culture includes characteristics you could describe as white but not very accurately.
He used a skin whitening cream to even out his skin tone, because there was no skin darkening cream. Itâs medically possible to destroy melanin but not to easily replace it. The vitiligo comes in in spots from my understanding.
Itâs very probable that he had some form of body dysmorphia. The multiple plastic surgeries surgeries to chase after some kind of ideal self while his appearance got more and more unusual is kind of a tell.
Haha I live in a majorly aboriginal town being aboriginal myself and honestly itâs a shit show.
But your comment made me imagine me my family and everyone around wearing trousers and shirts watering our lawns with picket fences haha
Really tickles me
You Aussie cunts are all right. Think there too many yanks on here that are allergic to fun.
Maybe it was all kiddy diddling
Testimony from those around him and supposed victims go the opposite way. Film and music industry is full of a lot of pedos, but MJ seems to have done his best to shield them from it and make moves to distupt the process established pedos used to lure in victims.
Think of how Wienstien used his connections to ruin those who opposed his rapist methods and now imagine how people with money, wealth and relative anonymity to everyone but those they have power over would try to get revenge on a public figure like MJ literally cockblocking them.
Definitely not the impression I got from everything Iâve read. The whole sleeping in the same bed with kids, keeping books with naked pictures of children, showing porn to kids (perhaps the most common method predators use to try to groom children), and the whole thing with setting up an alarm around his bedroom.
Keep in mind that a lot of the information Iâve seen was from a Wordpress blog bent on defending Jackson in any and every way possible, and yet I still think the case they make is not really convincing. The author speculates about what âtrue groomingâ looks like, and why MJâs actions supposedly donât fit their personal expectations of grooming. They also try to justify him keeping those books with pictures of naked kids as if that was a normal thing to do.
Maybe if it was just one of these things it could still be justified as MJ just being weird. But itâs all off these things, a clear pattern of behavior and accusations for which the simplest explanation is that MJ was indeed a predator. What I can say is that if these accusations were directed at some random dude down the road I definitely wouldnât want my kids going near him.
From the source you listed (because I have heard of the magazines but didnât look much into it ag the time) the author posits that the two books that had pictures of children were a gift from a fan, and the second he includes an inscription from Jackson discussing the joy of youth heâs seeing in the images and that heâs sad he didnât have that kind of childhood. Which, weird, but not damning to me.
But I couldnât find a credible source for the âshowing children pornographyâ portion you mentioned, do you have anything for that? My impression so far has been âweird dude, if I knew him I still probably wouldnât let my kids sleep over but I wouldnât let my kid sleep over ANY adultâs house, especially not a celebrityâ.
Donât forget his secret CP room they found in his mansion after he died.
Should have posted sources. Here yâall, take your pick, form your own opinion:
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=child+porn+found+in+michael+jackson's+home
