is it hard to… ya know… hypothetically obtain one of these cheaper, mexican imported evs? askin for a huh friend
However, you can import many kei cars and trucks and people are doing it because they’re super cheap.
They’re almost exclusively being imported as antique vehicles. I don’t think you’re going to find a cheap, useful, 25-year old Chinese EV, but all the power to you!
I am sick and tired of people claiming that BYD are unsafe They have crash tested better than my current vehicle.
Car manufacturers will meet local safety standards, so a BYD sold in the EU is probably going to be safer than a BYD sold in Mexico
Gotta love American “freedom” sometimes. “Oh you can buy any car you want, well except those dirty foreign ones because checks notes they’re totally not up to our safety standards.” -_-
Except you know, working airbags, seat belts, fuses, a firewall (as in the sheet of metal separating the engine from the passenger compartment), working crumple zones, 5 mph bumpers, rollover protection, stuff like that
What if we elect Trump and he gets rid of safety standards, could we import it then?
If you want yourself or your house to burn in a lítium battery fire, then sure, go for it.
Edit: I’m going to tag this post of mine and come back in a few years when all the stories about banning Chinese-made EVs come out because of safety issues. See you all in a couple years.
https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1013638
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/bev-are-exploding-all-over-china.299443/
https://energytrend.com/news/20221018-30074.html
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-B5sIm_JmB4
https://www.carscoops.com/2024/03/chinese-evs-become-virtually-uninsurable-in-the-uk-says-report/
https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/27/18761067/nio-es8-electric-suv-recall-battery-fires-china
Keep in mind that negative stories from China (anything that casts China itself or people/companies within China) are heavily and aggressively censored.
undermining regional carmakers
I think the word they’re looking for is in fact “outcompeting.”
Yutaro-Katori-with-butterfly-meme: Is this capitalism?
Outcompeting by having a nation subsidize the cost. Until local manufacturers go out of business because they can’t compete. Then China owns the entire industry she jacks to the price.
It’s like no one has been paying attention.
Ah, I see. So it’s cool when we do it (fossil fuel and ag subsidies, the auto industry bailout in 2008, etc.) but not when they do it.
Got it.
You’re introducing an argument as a way to undermine the viewpoint that’s opposite to yours.
No one said it’s fine “when we do it”. That’s not the point being discussed.
The other bigger issue here is that these new cars are coming from a region that has a horrendous track record for safety and quality. EVs when done right are still a considerable risk with battery fires, but the ones manufactured in China are much worse for quality and safety. In the next few years, as these cars flood markets around the world, it will be a massive issue.
It’s weird that this has to be explained to Americans - this is how much of Big Tech got to where they are, except they call it “disruption”.
BTW this shows perfectly that free markets are not a be-all-end-all thing. It’s a tool, and if it produces outcomes that you don’t like, you can adjust it for better outcomes. The hypocrisy here is not that they pretend to worship the market then cry foul when China enters it on their terms, but that they do adjust it for their benefit all the time, and only pretend to worship it when people ask for their fair share.
While we’ve seen this cycle play out quite a few times in Big Tech, I think a lot of people just aren’t aware of what it is. I’ve had friends decry how, “Uber is now basically as expensive as a taxi.” I point out how Uber is only recently profitable and see people’s minds get blown.
Lmao there’s a guy who usually posts a long response to these “subsidies” claims bullshit, but I think they got into a pissing match with a mod in the comments and got banned lmao.
Jist of it is: China’s subsidies are negligible compared to the US, and what they’ve actually done is created a competitive domestic market with a large number of players. Unless you think Chinese people are all puppets, even if China (as a country) owns the industry it would not prevent internal competition that drives down prices. Moreover, China does not offer per-unit subsidies on export. In fact, Chinese EVs exported to Europe are something like 40% more expensive than domestically for the same model.
That doesn’t exist anywhere…and I frankly don’t think it ever will.
EDIT What’s with the downvotes? Does anyone want to refute this?
Downvotes are due to China shills and people who don’t understand reality. EVERY post about Chinese EVs goes exactly the same way.
You’re just hunkering down inside your bubble, while offering nothing to the conversation.
There’s a BYD stand close to where I work, I was looking at a “Dolphin” that has around 500 miles of range and costs 30k€.
That’s still twice as what’s in the meme, but they keep getting closer.
If you have some sort of grudge against China automakers, Dacia has its Spring. It costs about what’s in the meme, but with half the range though.
It’s not hard to see a future where 350 miles for 15k is a reality, but the market needs competition.
Logically the refutation is kind of easy. Your prediction hinges on two things. A predicate that technology will never get better or cheaper.
Both of those things happen all the time as such, the refutation is simple.
Points to our entire technological history
Vehicles aren’t just one technology though, they are commodity items. Cellphones are more expensive than a decade ago, so are laptops. The average ICE car has gotten much more expensive over time. So, do you think EV technologies will get significantly cheaper quicker than inflation and the general direction of the industry?
