cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/26218551
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/26218550
(posting to both communities)
A carnist lemmy world instance admin has stepped in and meatsplained to the mods while restoring comments that violated the community’s rules. They deleted comments that they did not agree with, citing ‘misinformation’, and threatened to demod the mods if those comments were removed again. The comments were deleted and the admin was banned from the community as per violating the rules of the community, that was until they unbanned themselves (admin abuse) and unmodded two of the moderators because of “promoting harmfull actions against pets”.
As far as it stands, if the lemmy world community wasn’t already not a safe vegan place for you (it really wasn’t) it most certainly isn’t now as carnists (lemmy world instance admin) currently mod it.
I suggest any vegan who wants a safe and welcoming space to come and interact with vegantheoryclub.org. Sorry for any inconvienance that this may have caused. I am deeply upset at the admins actions today and don’t condone them whatsoever.
Meatsplained? Sucks you guys lost your community, but that is one of the dumbest words I’ve ever had the privilege of reading.
That’s exactly what a carnist blood-mouth would say! /s
(I am a vegan, but the insults that I have seen from the vegan communities here are all hilarious)
Seriously. I stopped reading after “meatsplained” and now am rooting for the admin.
Was this some dumbass saying dogs and cats can be fine with a vegan diet? Because that is 100% Grade A bullshit and the admin’s actions were justified.
Dogs can survive and thrive on a vegan diet, as long as it’s fairly carefully tailored; dogs are not obligate carnivores, and the essential amino acids that they can’t make themselves are available from non-animal sources.
Cats are obligate carnivores; the only natural source for at least one essential amino acid they need is meat. (I’m not sure which amino acid(s) it is, off the top of my head. Taurine? Lysine? Something else?) In theory you could heavily supplement a cat that was on a vegan diet and not kill it, but given that bioavailability of supplements isn’t the same as that of whole foods, I wouldn’t bet a life on it.
Please do not use ad hominems in your argument as we need to keep the discussion civil.
There are numerous studies suggesting that the plant-based diet is safe for dogs.
However for cats there are less studies, there are papers that suggest it is also safe for cats as long as taurine is provided in the diet.
Feed your pets their fucking meat for God’s sake.
Meat is not required for pets as there is enough studies to suggest this conclusion. 1 billion people are employed in animal agriculture so there is a strong conflict of interest occurring here.
Cats are obligate carnivores. If they don’t eat meat, they will get sick and die. This doesn’t apply to dogs.
Veganism is valid, but it does conflict with some pet ownership.
If cats do not consume taurine they will die. This does not mean they need meat.
Yes, veganism sees “pets” as companion animals.
Meat is not required for pets as there is enough studies to suggest this conclusion.
Bold claims require bold evidence. Natural meat eaters should naturally eat meat. To say otherwise requires a loooot of evidence.
Would an analysis of all current research be enough evidence? They conclude that there is no significant difference of cat heath when fed a nutritionally sufficient vegan diet.
The vegan diet we are talking about isn’t a bunch of vegetables, it’s a manufactured dry food specifically designed to have all the nutrients a cat needs.
The obsession with “natural diet” is bizarre in the first place. Are you feeding your cat small songbirds and mice, or are you feeding them dry food made with meat they never would be ankle to hunt for in the wild?
This is a contentious issue for most people, and it can be hard when you are very passionate about something to look at the evidence and change your opinion. I’ve looked at a decent number of studies on the topic recently, and they all seen to point to the conclusion that a diet without meat can be healthy for cats, so long as it contains all the nutrients they need.
For what it worth, the mods at vegan community are also deleting comment disagreeing with their point of view. It’s one thing to accuse rooki for power abuse, which i tend to agree as admin should be impartial to their ruling and not demote/remove based on emotion, but it’s ironic that the mod also did the exact same thing they accuse rooki for. Lesson here is, don’t fucking abuse power based on your emotion and then whine about it after losing that privilege. It’s a very highschool drama this one is.
Every vegan community I’ve ever visited has been such a strong echo chamber that they give atheists a run for their money.
They will not tolerate discussion that is not in full agreement.
Just ignore the vegans like you ignore a random person on the street yelling about some nonsense.
It is a vegan community you’re talking about it should appeal to vegans and to the safety of animals first and foremost. People were coming into our community promoting violence against the other animals.
Experiment on yourself all you want, but not your companion who depends on you. This is not a great subject to gather support from a larger audience with.
That being said, controversial subjects need to be discussed, not deleted. Nobody was intentionally trying to harm animals here. These actions don’t feel right
That is a strawman. As there are numerous studies on how the vegan diet is safe for all stages of human life.
It is also proven to be safe for dogs and cats.
I don’t care what community we’re talking about, we’re discussing powermod/poweradmin here so i do care about the action of the mod and if you think just because you’re vegan you get to be exempted by common sense, then you’re mistaken. People are talking about food for pets, not for human consumption, it’s still a hot topic that you yourself said it’s less studied and can’t even be sure if it’s safe to do so, discussion amongst the community are needed, not swept under the rug. You guys are getting criticised here not because of being vegan, but because of the action you guys take, stop using veganism as your shield and looking like a bunch of imbecile.
People said veganism isn’t a religion but this looks more and more like one.
The comments were deleted and the admin was banned from the community as per violating the rules of the community
It’s a bold strategy Cotton
