TL;DR: Video game actors being told to mo-cap sex scenes without being told beforehand

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A summary of the story, scene breakdown and scripts should be distributed to all cast members in advance.

performers should be able to request a closed set where access is kept to a minimum.

A competent intimacy coordinator should be engaged.

These are not big asks.

In one recording for a major game she first learned it was explicit only when she turned up for work.

“This was actually a full-on sex scene,” she said.

"I had to [vocally] match the scene and through the glass in the booth was the entire team, all male, watching me.

“It was excruciating… at that stage I had been in the games industry a while, and I had never felt so shaken”.

Not unreasonable to say that this situation should not be repeated.

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85 points

Yeah, what they’re asking for is pretty standard stuff in other media. A friend of mine is an actor who played a scene where he had to shoot a masturbation scene. He was alone in a room with like 3-4 people: sound guy, camera guy, director, and I think the intimacy coach was there too.

Having a whole team watch you pretend to have sex is not okay, what the hell.

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9 points

I mean, most of the team should be watching because they’re trying to do their jobs, not because they’re ogling the actors. And this is even more removed from sex than movies’ simulated sex, because I assume they’re in full mocap suits and everything.

Hell, you don’t even need both people doing motion at the same time, as long as you have the poses roughly correct. You can edit the motion curves to make the rhythm match.

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8 points

Having a whole team watch you pretend to have sex is not okay, what the hell.

the problem here is the consent and awareness, not the actual scene. It should be entirely illegal to approach production like this.

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25 points

They are the bare minimum that should be expected. Honestly, the studios who did this should be named and shamed. The actors shouldn’t ever have to deal with this, and I’m sure the studio would lose far more money than they could wish to gain by being deceptive. It’s capitalism. They’re after profit. Make honesty the most profitable option or you’ll get dishonesty.

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20 points

I don’t believe you’re wrong here in saying that. These don’t seem like unreasonable asks at all, and something I’d expect to be normal standards for the industry.

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Yes, these precipts seem to be common in the TV industry

Ms Jefferies stresses the guidelines are not trying to put boundaries on storytelling … She says - and “these guidelines are just to bring it even more in line with the best practices in the film and TV industry”.

And I can’t think of news stories that show this is a problem in terms of leaking a story.

So, why not have the same degree of safety and protocols in game development?

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13 points

I wonder if that would be a genuine use case for “AI”. If the voice actor consents to have his voice represented in such a scene but doesn’t want to play it out in a studio, the computer model could take over that part.

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With THIS context added, yeah I see why people are mad. I thought this was the usual “Video games are too sexy!” nonsense we’ve had ever since we saw Princess Toadstool’s ankles for the first time back in 1964… But uhh, wow… This

This is just outright fucked, I would even argue this could legally count as a form of sexual assault. IANAL though

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ok so like, is video game acting like the worst field on earth, could you not just, refuse to do this? Seems like a fully reasonable thing to do to me.

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And on the other side we have the Baldur’s Gate actors praising Larian for hiring intimacy coordinators and not requiring themselves to mocap the sex scenes.

Edit: Ah, just saw that this is addressed at the end of the article.

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20 points

Intimacy coordinators ?

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91 points

Actor here. Doing intimacy scenes is surprisingly difficult, arguably more so than combat, because usually people train and get certified in sword and dagger, rapier, firearms etc to get cast

When working a job, putting your mouth on another person’s mouth is a very unusual act, and you want your actors - regardless of gender - to feel safe, comfortable, professional and not exploited - not to mention you might spend 2x 14 hours days on this sequence from multiple angles getting it the same every time

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61 points

That’s someone whose job is to liaise and advocate for actors to the production crew for intimate scenes, especially nude and sex scenes.

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Oh ok ty

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37 points

People who help other people who work on scenes that involve intimacy to make the whole process as pleasant as possible for everyone involved.

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11 points

It’s a somewhat new job title, but it’s now becoming standard across the movie industry.

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intimacy coordinators

Yes, quite. I’m a regular practitioner of touch-stimulated emotional relief aided by intimacy content distributors on the digital nexus of information.

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41 points

Do you put that on your resumé?

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6 points

It’s the first line.

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79 points

What game is motion-capping realistic rape scenes? Jesus Christ.

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45 points

There’s a lot of straight up porn games out there so who knows what kind of shit these actors end up in when they show up for a generic “motion/voice capture for video game” gig.

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I don’t think many adult games can afford mocap though. Typically the adult content is purely animated models.

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10 points

Wild Life, an indie porn game currently still in development, has mocap.

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14 points

Probably David Cage games lol.

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12 points

Fear and Hunger if it wasn’t rpgmaker level graphics

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Next we need to mocap him beating your head in with a hammer. It will hurt at first but you won’t feel much afterwards.

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2 points

*feel

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60 points

Sex scenes are common in modern games - and are often made by filming human actors who are then digitised into game characters.

Is “common” referring to cringey low budget Steam games? I don’t think I’ve seen any sort of on screen simulated sex in a game, ever. Granted I tend to only play well publicized indie games and larger releases. But how common is this? Am I out of the loop?

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102 points

Mass Effect, The Witcher, San Andreas Hot Coffee Mod, Sega Bass Fishing 2, Cyberpunk 2077.

It’s pretty common.

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85 points

Sega Bass Fishing 2

Sorry, what ?

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87 points

I don’t recommend it, but going bass-to-mouth was a very popular and hyped feature addition for SEGA Bass Fishing. I’m surprised this is the first you are hearing of it

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40 points

The Witcher and Cyberpunk I’ll give you, but Mass Effect definitely fades to black before getting to actual sex, the other two are mods. I wasn’t saying sex in games doesn’t exist, but if we’ve gotta go back several decades for a handful examples, that doesn’t feel like something that’s “common.”

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BG3. The sex scenes in that are just a slight camera angle away from full blown porn. And it’s also incredibly new.

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27 points

If I’m not mistaken the Hot Coffee mod restores content made by Rockstar that was cut last minute.

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14 points

Mass Effect Andromeda had one or two fairly graphic sex scenes. Nothing more than what you’d typically see in an R rated Hollywood movie.

Unfortunately the scenes were with the most human characters. Imagine my disappointment when it just did fade to black with the Turian girl…

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6 points

I think “common” here would refer to having to produce them, over the actual explicitness of the scene. Whether Mass Effect fades to black or not isn’t really the point when the voice actors still have to record the lines that play while the screen is dark.

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27 points

Baldur’s gate 3

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5 points

Pretty cool of them to mocap a real bear :D

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15 points

Dragon Age, too. Then ask the Fahrenheit line of games. There’s a lot overall.

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8 points

One of the new Wolfenstein games too.

I don’t think you can count hot coffee, though. That was cut before release.

What was the first video game with a sex scene? Custer’s Revenge?

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8 points

It was shot and produced no? That’s literally what this thread is about.

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6 points

TLOU 2

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5 points

ME is like cuddles that fade to black, The Witcher is funny little drawn cards you get after a fade to black, San Andreas was a mod as the actual function was never part of the released game - and those animations definitely were not mo-capped, no idea wtf a fishing game has, CP2077 kinda the same as ME but a bit more raunchy I guess. But even those very non explicit examples are a tiny fraction in the grand scheme of things, even among “adult” games.

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7 points

Witcher 3 and cp2077 definitely had what i’d consider full sex scenes. Like, you don’t have full on piv, but it’s about as close as, say, TV typically gets.

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6 points

Actual sex scenes are incredibly rare. In most cases, which are still rare, it is implied with some cuddly scenes that fade to black. I think the most “explicit” sex scene I’ve seen in a regular game was in TLoU Part 2.

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5 points
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Tell me you’ve never played a Witcher game using a whole paragraph.

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17 points

Accurate, but one series does not make something common.

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I only played partially through the first and the most graphic sexual thing I remember there were the little cards you’d get, which don’t require any actors.

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1 point

By number 3 there were extended scenes. No penis or vulva.

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54 points

Sometimes I forget how unprofessional the game industry still is or how little respect people have for well being of others. I’d like to say I’m surprised but that would require having some expectations towards those companies.

I hope more VAs speak up about stuff like this so we can have some real changes.

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I’d say that isn’t the game industry, but it’s basically every company and employer everywhere. Nobody matters. Nobody is important. We’re all expendable seems to be the world.

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9 points

I focused on game companies since that’s what’s this article is about but yeah, that’s true.

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