In 4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!) and its cross-posts, quite a few people said things like “maybe racism is a problem on Mastodon, but I don’t see it on Lemmy.” Of course, plenty of comments in the various threads were in fact examples of racism on Lemmy, so one takeaway is that at lot of people don’t see racism even when they’re looking at it. And helpful commenters pointed out some of the other patterns of racism on Lemmy. … but that wasn’t really the thrust of that discussion.

So I wanted to ask more generally, what are some of the examples you’ve seen of racism on Lemmy? Quotes and links are great, but also feel free just to describe examples or call out more general patterns!

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The whole point of the fediverse is that it’s distributed. There’s gonna be bigots. But they can be blocked, their instances can ban them, and then they can make their own instances which other instances can then defederate. That’s working as designed. In a perfect world, the bigoted instances will be a disconnected graph from the network of other instances.

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You don’t think having a disconnected graph consisting of only bigots would lead to amplification and advancement of the bigotry?

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Why would it? It seems like it would just be similar to the circlejerk forums they’ve have for decades, alienated from the mainstream and unable to normalize their ideas and recruit so easily.

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As a POC I’d say Lemmy is way better than most similar sites but there’s still the prevalent sexism that always seems like the "acceptable casual bigotry" and I’m not a fan of that. The kind of "jokes" that guys mostly laugh at while women mostly roll their eyes at because the punchline is usually heavily reliant on sexism.

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There’s a collection here,

!shitreactionariessay@lemmygrad.ml

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Most people cannot see lemmygrad

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Why is that?

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It’s defederated from .world, the largest Lemmy instance.

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Because with all the suffering in the world, it is difficult to envision utopia.

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.world censors left-wing instances

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Thats on them

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Thanks for the pointer.

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There used to be Wolfballs, a right-wing Lemmy instance. I didn’t browse much but there was definitely ample racism there.

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If I remember correctly, the admin (a US Lolbertarian) finally closed it down, among other reasons, when they realized the resident nazis there were not just joking to troll da libs and actually believed the things they were saying about ‘jewish shapeshifters’. They wanted a free speech haven, and so they got the people we collectively told to shut up.

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Good point, thanks. I seem to recall another one as well – although both were widely defederated so I suspect most people on those instances didn’t wind up seeing them.

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I did not see any racist comments for quite some time. But xenophobic comments were common on threads about Ukraine’s invasion.

The anti-French sentiment is also present here like in the whole English speaking web.

The French aren’t known for their hygiene so I am not surprised their river is filthy

From a post about an olympic triathlete who got sick: https://lemmy.ml/post/18887659

In Belgium: Tartare or Mayo. Andalouse for the gal, thanks In the UK: Salt and Vinegar In both cases: I will have to change seat if you plop yourself in front of me with your poor fries inundated by ketchup. Only the French do that, and it is a Casus Belli in my book.

From a post about dipping fries: https://lemmy.ml/post/18963222

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But xenophobic comments were common on threads about Ukraine’s invasion.

As in “fuck the Russians”? Because I feel that hating Russia is somewhat less based on prejudice than your other examples, and somewhat more on recent real world examples.

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There were xenophobic comments towards Russians, Ukrainians and Americans in these posts.

Also, I don’t think people should insult the people of a country when they criticize its government.

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True, but at one point as has gone so far you are complicit if you do nothing.

Has it gone so far yet? I don’t know, but it’s worth discussing imo.

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